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|Jan-14-05|| ||duckets: Reminiscent of the debate yesterday about when to resign... |
|Jan-14-05|| ||error: It is funny that the other game between these players was a quick step of 16 moves: Csank vs Albin, 1890 |
|Jan-14-05|| ||JohnBoy: <Marnoff Mirlony> - The game is flawed and I, for one, appreciate <Jonber>'s analysis. Helps me understand the game better. Computer driven or not. I'm not here to take a tour of the art gallery, but to improve my chess. Thanks, Jonber! |
|Jan-14-05|| ||WarehouseMan: Give Jonber some credit. It sure beats the same washed out crap I have to read here day after day. |
|Jan-14-05|| ||deshad: Is 6. h4 considered a gambit? |
|Jan-14-05|| ||kevin86: White queens twice,is down a bishop,and pulls a stalemate trap.|
I'm guessing that sink,sank,sunk is from Dr Seuss' HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS-in which he describes the Grinch's nature as "stink,stank,stunk".
|Jan-14-05|| ||patzer2: Computer analysis or not, <Jonber>'s 25. a6!! (instead of 25. b6? a6 letting Black back in the game) is the move that White should have played to bust open and exploit Black's "weakened castled position." |
|Jan-14-05|| ||patzer2: <Jonber>'s 50. Rxg8! is a deep "passed pawn" combination with some interesting side variations. |
|Jan-14-05|| ||MindlessOne: Was 6...Bxg5 necessary? It seems to me that it gave white more than enough compensation for the pawn, it developed a rook and a knight while chasing the queen around. The game turns out a draw but id say white with perfect play should have a win here. |
|Jan-14-05|| ||patzer2: <MindlessOne> Although there is nothing wrong with 6...Bxg5 for Black, the more popular move is 6...c5, which is not without danger for the second player as White's quick win in Morozevich vs Korchnoi, 2003 might indicate. |
|Jan-14-05|| ||Stonewaller2: If S Katz stood in for Albin the title of this one might be, "Un, Deux, Trois, Katz-Csank." |
|Jan-14-05|| ||MindlessOne: during the opening it seems that both sides were playing to prevent their opponents attacks before they happened, almost like nimzowitch, Maybe they were traps or normal positions that arise, but it is still quite beautiful, an example of this may be 12...Bc6 this move is awkward, you would think black would play for a c5 pawn advance to gain more space on the queenside, this just blocks the pawn and moves the same piece in the opening twice. But what its really doing is giving it a jump off square after 13.Na3 Nb8 14...Nd7|
After the continuation 12...Bc4 13.Na3 Nb8 14.Nc2 Nd7 Check it out, 14.Nc2, taking the knight off the bad square and focusing it towards the kingside in order to take advantage off his slight initiative, not to mention his lead in development. Two things can happen here, black can play defensive and bring his knight to the kingside to prepare for a queenside, especially due to his loss of time that if correct play, black will win the race of kingside attack versus blacks plan here, queenside attack. I think kingside is good here for the preventive style in hold in it. But neither of these players play perfectly so its not that big of a deal that white has a slight advantage here. In stead he should play with the most active plan in the game, c5. (it should be mentioned to those who dont understand how to deveop the right plan in the given position, just remember Philidors wise words (pawns are the soul of chess) When the pawns are in chains you try to make that chain larger to gain more space and lead into more active poitions. There are other rules and ideas about pawns, just talk to them, they will teach you)White achieves his pawnchain plan with f4, in order to do the pawn move, he distacted the opponent and moving a piece out of the way, when black focused on that knight, he missed the opportunity to play any prevention. Now I would say white has a clear advantage, and soon he tries and steal space on the queenside while he has time.
|Jan-14-05|| ||MindlessOne: 17...Rg8 removing the pin on the rook so he can rid the knight of its powerful square. 18...0-0-0! beautiful move, white has more space on the queenside, is losing the kingside battle, so switches the side of play in his favor, an attemting to steal the initiative from white soon.19.b4 Rh8 20.a4 Rg8, what is black doing? shouldnt he be playing for c5 and gaining more space on the queenside!? He conitinues playing in this passive style, choking the life right out of himself! 21.a5 Nb8 praeparing for a6 22.b5! just look at whites pawn storming both sides of the board. Maybe the position wasnt set up right earlier for the queenside castle, but I believe by principal that black could have prevented better thatn he has! Whites pawns are on the 5th rank!!! Anyway, black is clearly losing here, lets see how he comes back... 22...Qe8?! another piece on the back row!!! 23.Rb1 Qe7?! white prepares for queenside attack and is still properly set up for c4! more space on the while black plays very passively, maybe has done some opening preparation, but I believe with correct play white should win here. One good thing to notice about black is that all his pieces are set up to defend against the attack, 24.c4 c6 white takes even more space on the queenside, black really has nothing else but to wait and hold on for dear life! 25.b6 a6 closes the a and b pawns with just a enourmous space advantage on the queenside. 26.c5 closing the position and taking even more space, consequently creating a backward pawn on d4, although this pawn will be hard to attack, black might chose to do so later in the game. 26...Re8, giving his king another square to move too. 27.Nb4 Kd8, Nb4 is just a more active position for white and is preparing his pieces still Kd8 is just taking preventitive measures. ill stop after 29.g4?! in my opinion this is a mistake,gives black counterplay with an f5 break, instead white should have played 29. Kd2 29. Kf2 or 29.g3. Kd2 connecting the rooks and completing developing Kf2 same. g3 taking away a future plan of Ng6 attacking whites pawn, attemting to remove any of blacks counterplay. This was where white lost the the advantage. I realize that this analysis was very simple, all i intended on doing was to try and shed a light on positional chess, we already have the countless variations, id appreciate anyone else ideas on the poisitional PLANS of each move. |
|Jan-14-05|| ||bishopmate: what's up with 89. Qg7+ |
|Jan-14-05|| ||Dogzilla: <bishopmate> If this were a football match, 89 Qg7+ would be the stoppage-time equalizer in a game no side deserved to lose... |
|Jan-14-05|| ||patzer2: For a "defensive combination," White should have seen the perpetual with 57.Qe1+! Re6 58.Qh4+ etc. as noted by <Jonber>. |
|Jan-15-05|| ||Cyphelium: The analysis of <Jonber> is indeed impressive, especially when it comes to point out all the missed tactics in the endgame. I disagree on one point though. |
Regarding 25. b6: I agree that 25. a6 might be stronger, though I don't think 25. b6 is that bad. Albin's idea was probably to sac a piece on a6, and that's why he closed the position. After 26. c5, Jonber calls 26.- Re8 'pointless', but in my humble opinion it's a very sensible move, anticipating white's idea. Perhaps it's also the only move to avoid being smashed. To illustrate what I mean: 26.- f6 27. Nb4 g5 28. Qe2 gxf4 29. Nxa6. It's clear that this is very dangerous. If black plays 29.- bxa6?? he loses on the spot to 30. Bxa6+ and if he doesn't white might even play 30. Nc7 and then a6-a7. Black doesn't seem to have much counterplay. The whole Re8-Kd8-Bc8-manouver looks like the only way to avoid the a6-sac, moreover; black is just in time. If 27.- g6, as suggested below (and while we are discussing pointless moves, the purpose of that one escapes me completely), then 28. Qe2! looks dangerous. 28.- Kd8 29. Nxa6 and white crashes through. It's easy to see that the a- and b-pawns will decide in many variations.
Incidentally, I think many computers wouldn't suggest 26.- Re8, since the point of 26. c5 might be beyond their horizon. Assuming that I'm right about the importance of 26.- Re8, this leads to an interesting thought. Perhaps Albin would have won the game, had he got the opportunity to play the position after move 25 against a present day computer?
I tried the (admittedly crappy) computer at chesslab.com, which suggests meeting 26. c5 with 26.- g5. 'Playing' against it, I produced the following line: 27. Nb4 gxf4 28. Qe2 f5 29. Nxa6 Nxa6 30. Bxa6 Qg7 31. Bxb7+ Kxb7 32. a6+ Kb8 33. Rg1! Nh7?! (looks silly, but is there anything else?)) 34. b7!, when the computer suddenly realises it's dead lost. (The threat is 35. a7+ Kxa7 36. b8Q+ with mate.)
|Jul-14-05|| ||Giearth: IMHO, 88... Bf5??|
|Feb-19-08|| ||DLV: Most interesting draw I have ever seen!|
|Dec-24-08|| ||WhiteRook48: players' names are the same. Doesn't happen often...|
|Jan-02-09|| ||WhiteRook48: it would be funny if it was Adolf Albin/Adolf Anderssen vs Adolf Csank:
"Adolf Adolf Adolf" would be the pun|
|Jan-10-16|| ||patzer2: White to move and win (67. ?), might make for a good Thursday or Friday puzzle.|
In the actual game White missed the win 67. Qg5+ Qf6 68. Qxf6+ Kxf6 69. d8=Q+ Rxd8 70. Bc8! Be6 71. b8=Q when play might continue 71...Rxc8 72. Qb6 Rc4 73. Ke2 Ke7 74. Qxa6 Bc8 75. Qb6 Kd7 75. Qb5+ Ke6 77. Qe8+ Kd6 78. Qe5+ Kc6 79. Qb8 Kd7 80. a6 Bxa6 81. Qa7+ Rc7+ 82. Qxa6 (+10.89 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 15).
|Jan-10-16|| ||latvalatvian: What is Fritz 15 smoking??|
|Jan-12-16|| ||patzer2: <latvalatvian> Oops! Got the move number wrong. |
It should read, White to move and win (66. ?) might make for a good Thursday or Friday puzzle:
After 66. Qg5+ Qf6, White missed the win 67. Qxf6+! Kxf6 68. d8=Q+ Rxd8 69. Bc8! Be6 70. b8=Q when play might continue 70...Rxc8 71. Qb6 Rc4 72. Ke2 Ke7 73. Qxa6 Bc8 74. Qa8 Ke6 75. a6 Rc7 76. a7 Kd6 77. Kd2 Bb7 78. Qb8 Kd7 79. Qxb7 Rxb7 80. a8=Q with Deep Fritz 15 announcing mate-in-twenty.
|Sep-14-16|| ||drleper: <bishopmate: what's up with 89. Qg7+>|
Only 11 years later, what's up is that black has to take the white queen, and then it's a draw by stalemate. The only other choice for black is 89...Kh5?? which loses the queen and the game :)
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