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| aw1988: Sorry, but where is the win? |
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| Apr-09-05 |
| sneaky pete: <aw1988> May I suggest 38... Kxh4?? 39.Rh6# or 39.Rh7#?. The incomplete score stems from The Chess Players Chronicle by Staunton, who didn't bother to give the remaining moves. Maybe he accidentally touched his king (touch-play) while reaching for his pipe or chasing away an insect. |
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May-06-05
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| InspiredByMorphy: <aw1988> I have the same question. White is down a pawn. <sneaky pete> Black is not going to play 38. ...Kxh4?? Where is whites win if black plays 38. ...f4 or 38. ...Rh8 ? |
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| May-06-05 |
| aw1988: I think what sneaky pete meant was an amazingly stupid move as a bit of a joke. |
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| May-06-05 |
| jondoe: 38 ...Rh8 or 38 ...f4 ultimately loses all black pawns, and the white king is still pinned by white's command of the g column. I don't think black can win back the g column, since the white king is close to the edge and black's rooks are split at opposite ends. *shrug* |
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May-06-05
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| InspiredByMorphy: <jondoe> <38 ...Rh8 or 38 ...f4 ultimately loses all black pawns> How so? Would you care to elaborate with analysis? I dont see how white even wins one pawn. |
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| May-09-05 |
| jondoe: ok so if 38 ...Rh8 39 Rg5+ Kh6 40 Rxb7. If 39 ...Kxh4 40 Rg3 going for mate on 41 Rh3. if 38 ...f4 39 Rb6 going for the two pawns on the b column. once the b column pawns are gone black's chances are not good. the 8th row rook can't protect the 5th row pawns and the king. IMHO |
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May-10-05
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| InspiredByMorphy: <jondoe> 38. ...Rh8 39.Rg5+ Kxh4 . If 38. ...f4 39.Rb6 Rxc3 40.Rbxb7 Kxh4 and black is temporarily up a pawn. The position looks equal. |
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| May-10-05 |
| jondoe: 38 ...Rxc3 would actually put black up immediately!
It does look equal at best for white. |
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May-10-05
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| InspiredByMorphy: <sneaky pete> <The incomplete score stems from The Chess Players Chronicle by Staunton> I believe Staunton omitted the remaining moves because he believed he had an advantage. He must have slipped in the endgame. It is only my opinion, but I think it is ridiculously biased to omit what is the remainder of the game for a book which you hope other chess players to buy. Especially if your opponent wins! |
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May-31-06
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| TheAlchemist: It's a draw after 38...Rxc3 39.Rg5+ Kxh4 40.Rxf5 then 41.Rfg5 and Black can't stop the checks on the g-file. |
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May-31-06
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| Pawn and Two: Staunton's notes for this game explain what happened. After his 38th move, Popert offered to draw the game, but Staunton declined, and subsequently he lost the game. Staunton's notes from the book, "Howard Staunton: Uncrowned Chess Champion of the World" by Bryan Knight. |
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May-31-06
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| capatal: Staunton's chess piece design (and ducking Paul Morphy) could remain historically immortal - even if his games do not conjure up such sentiment with posterity. |
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Oct-01-08
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| InspiredByMorphy: Whites endgame advantage due to blacks pawn structure is not immediately apparent in the final position but a draw would have been a wise choice to accept. Sure black plays 38. ...Rxc3 but white then plays 39.Rf6! and the f pawn will fall, soon to be followed by the doubled b pawns. Whites rooks apply to much pressure for black. Black could have attained the advantage earlier with 14. ...Qc5! 15.Bb3 Bh3!
click for larger view or 14. ...Qc5! 15.Qd3 Na5 16.Bb5 Bf5!
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