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|Jun-28-12|| ||Abdel Irada: I never said a 400-point underdog couldn't win, but according to the stats, he shouldn't. ;-)|
|Jun-28-12|| ||poszvald: I do not know if this is the best, but surely gives advanage to black:|
15, dxe5 Qc3+
16, Qd2 Qa1+
17, Qd1 Qxd1+
18, Kxd1 Ne3++
19, Kc1 Rd1+
20, Kb1 Nxg2
and know black is a piece up, and white knight can not move..
|Jun-28-12|| ||poszvald: I knew I missed something. Ne3!! is very strong:)|
|Jun-28-12|| ||Djoker: 14...Rxe5
15 dxe5 Qc3+
16 Qd2 Ne3
17 Qxc3 Rd1#
Though my initial thoughts were along <poszwald's> lines
Also what happens after 15 Bxd5 instead of dxe5...White is a piece down, but I think no immediate mate threat...also it probably helps in whites pieces getting active...
|Jun-28-12|| ||whiteshark: <14...Rxe5> and that's it.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||zb2cr: Found this one. A nice little Thursday puzzle!|
|Jun-28-12|| ||Whitehat1963: <<Whitehat1963>: I enjoyed your collection, although in fairness it must be noted that the GM victims were mostly playing simuls, which does somewhat mitigate their losses.>|
Actually, <Abdel Irada>, you should take another look. There are a few simuls, but they appear mostly at the top of the list. The vast majority of the games are classical chess, with a smattering of rapids and blitz thrown in as well.
<Legi>, you're very welcome.
|Jun-28-12|| ||FSR: 14...Rxe5! 15.dxe5 (15.Bxd5 Rxd5 or Qxd5 wins) Qe3+ 16.Qd2 (16.Kf1 Ne3+ 17.fxe3 Rxd1+) Ne3! wins queen or king (17.Qxc3 Rd1#).|
|Jun-28-12|| ||Pawn and Two: 16...Ne3! is a very nice move. I found the alternative line: 14...Rxe5 15.dxe5 Qc3+ 16.Qd2 Qa1+ 17.Qd1 Qxd1+ 18.Kxd1 Ne3+ 19.Kc1 Rd1+ 20.Kb2 Nxg2.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||OhioChessFan: I went with 14..Qc3+ which amounts to the same thing. I always find it interesting when such a high % go for 1 of 2 winning moves and wonder what draws people to that 1.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||FSR: Here's an upset for you: M Spinosa vs O Kroll, 1978|
|Jun-28-12|| ||varishnakov: I saw 14..Rxe5 15. dxe5 Qc3+ 16. Qd2 Qa1+ 17. Qd1 Qxd1+ 18. Kxd1 Ne3+ 19. Kc1 Rd1+ 20. Kb2 Nxg2|
|Jun-28-12|| ||kevin86: I saw this one from the start:
14...xe5 15 dxe5 c3+ 16 d2 e3 and if 17 xc3 d1#
|Jun-28-12|| ||Patriot: <<OhioChessFan>: I went with 14..Qc3+ which amounts to the same thing. I always find it interesting when such a high % go for 1 of 2 winning moves and wonder what draws people to that 1.> It is interesting. I went with the equally winning 14...Qc3+ also, but only after I failed to see 16...Ne3! in the game line. I wonder if this move was very easy for most people to see? 14...Rxe5 seemed very logical because it makes way for a discovered attack on the queen (seeing the x-ray). Honestly though, I may have flip-flopped between the two candidates, looking at 14...Qc3+ first and missing the point behind it and returning to it later. So looking at the two candidates I may have picked up information from each and consolidated them into the winning ideas behind 14...Qc3+.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||Herma48852: Fudge! I missed 15. .. Qc3+ and went for the premature 15. .. Ne3+? which loses to 16. Qxd8+ Kxd8 17.Bxc6 |
|Jun-28-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: I had the idea of sacking the exchange, but after the pawn recaptures the rook I was thinking Nf4, double attacking the Q and loose B. I missed the real point, which was very pretty.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: Which actually fails miserably after 16. Bxc6.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||Everett: Amazing, how I stumble on Monday but get this quick. If you see the pattern....|
|Jun-28-12|| ||doubledrooks: I voted for 14...Rxe5 with the idea of opening the file for the d8 rook after 15. dxe5 Qc3+ 16. Qd2 Ne3 and now:|
a. 17. Qxc3 Rd1#
b. 17. Nf3 Nxg2+ 18. Kf1 Rxd2 19. Nxd2 Qxd2 20. Kxg2
|Jun-28-12|| ||bachbeet: Got it. Had to look at different options before deciding taking that bishop was best.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||EXIDE: Saw that opening up the d file would give black opportunities. After RxB was easy to see.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||gawain: YESSS! It seemed clear that 14...Rxe5 would be the starting move, but not all that easy to foresee that the threat of ...Rd1# was waiting at the end if White captures the queen|
At least I was pretty pleased with myself for seeing it.
And I did see that White could not play 16 Kf1 on pain of 16...Ne3+
|Jun-28-12|| ||James D Flynn: Black is the exchange up for B and pawn. More importantly he is way ahead in development and K security.
14….. Rxe5 15.dxe5 Qc3+ 16.Qd2 Qa1+ 17.Qd1 Qxd1+ 18.Kxd1 Ne3+ 19. Kc1 Rd1+ Kb2 Nxg2 and White is piece up for a pawn and Black’s remaining 2 pieces cannot be moved without giving up a least another piece . Black can simply play Bd5 forcing f3 and pick off the e5 pawn with his K. If white ever attacks the R with Kd2 Re1 is a safe square.
There may be a mating attack with 15……Ne3 16.Qa1 Rd1+ 17.Qxd1 Qc3+ 18.Qd2 Qa1+ but then 16.fxe3 Rxd1+ 17.Kxd1 and Black has only a Q for R and N and White’s K has escape squares.
|Jun-28-12|| ||PinnedPiece: <gawain: YESSS! It seemed clear that 14...Rxe5 would be the starting move, but not all that easy to foresee that the threat of ...Rd1# was waiting at the end if White captures the queen>|
Yes, but I saw a different sequence after 14...Rxe5. Not sure it was as good but I expected dxe5....and similar knight moves but different trades.
|Jun-28-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <zahbaz: What was white's combative idea with the voluntary exchange loss 12.Rxc6?>|
To lose more quickly is my guess. The simple developing move 12. Nf3 and White is fine. And as <mod> mentioned, 14. Bxg7 was better, though White may be losing already.
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