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|May-07-09|| ||patzer2: Black's 8...Qxd6 is a bit unusual, as normally played here is 8...Bxd6 = as in Hebden vs P Wells, 1989. However, it's not altogether bad I suppose.|
For example, Black missed a win a few moves later with 12...Qh5! (e.g. 12...Qh5! 13. g3 Nxd4 ).
By the time 18. Qd5+! rolls around, White seems to have a won game and does a pretty good job of forcing the issue the rest of the way.
|May-07-09|| ||patzer2: Indeed, the pursuit combination beginning with 21. Bxc7! would make for a good Sunday puzzle solution.|
|May-07-09|| ||Alphastar: full of surprising tactics. Thanks!|
|May-07-09|| ||Alphastar: After 32. ..Ka4 white wins by achieving a superior pawn structure with 33. Rc4+ Rxc4 34. dxc4.|
|May-07-09|| ||homersheineken: I love the pun! Alison Chains :)
It's a play on the American grunge band Alice in Chains
|May-07-09|| ||SuperPatzer77: <Alphastar: After 32. ..Ka4 white wins by achieving a superior pawn structure with 33. Rc4+ Rxc4 34. dxc4.>|
<Alphastar> No, White doesn't win because he is one rook down. You've overlooked the Black Rook on the a8 square. Black has one rook advantage if 32...Ka4, 33. Rc4+?? Rxc4, 34. dxc4 - Black wins!!! It is because Black is one rook up.
<Alphastar> See the correct moves shown by <Trigonometrist> below:
After 32...Ka4, 33. Qd1+! Ka5, 34. Qd2+! Ka4, 35. Rc4+! Rxc4 (forced), 36. b3+!!! (O divine!!) Ka3, 37. Nxc4#!
See <Trigonometrist>'s previous commentary - excellent analysis of White's tactical moves.
See that White Queen is on the d2 square protecting the a-pawn. That's what <Trigonometrist> wanted to show us.
|May-07-09|| ||wanabe2000: Whites 32.Qe1+, where the piece drops to the bottom of the board, took my breath away. Nice pun, makes me want to move to Seattle.|
|May-07-09|| ||Alphastar: <SuperPatzer77> Do you know what a joke is?|
|May-07-09|| ||Lastwarrior: for those of you who don't know the pun is based off a band called "Alice in Chains"|
|May-07-09|| ||patzer2: <SuperPatzer77> <if 32...Ka4, 33. Rc4+?? Rxc4, 34. dxc4 - Black wins!!!> While 33. Rc4+! is not the best move in this "joke" line (mating faster is 33. Qd1+!! as you and <Trigonomerist> correctly observe), it's not deserving of a (??) losing move designation. |
Now, while it's true 34. dxc4?? loses, White can improve with 34. b3+! Ka3 35. Nxc4+ Kxa2 36. Qc3! with a winning double attack that wins the Black queen and mates shortly thereafter.
|May-07-09|| ||SuperPatzer77: <Alphastar: <SuperPatzer77> Do you know what a joke is?>|
<Alphastar> What do you mean, "do you know what a joke is?"?
<Alphastar> You mean you're trying to pull the wool over our eyes, right???
<Alphastar> By the way, I strongly don't agree with your analysis so, I gave you the honest and clear analysis.
<Alphastar> Just cut it out, will you?
|May-07-09|| ||SuperPatzer77: <patzer2> You're absolutely right - 34. dxc4??? |
Your analysis is correct but Trigonometrist's is the fastest - noting that the White Queen stands on d2 to protect the a-pawn so, it leads to quick mate.
|May-07-09|| ||kevin86: I always see a king chase as similar to a comedy chase in the movies. I'm always looking for the chased king to smash into a brick wall or through a huge pane of glass. (not to beconfused with the PAIN of glass)|
|May-07-09|| ||SuperPatzer77: Instead of Trigonometrist's analysis, your analysis is perfect but a little bit longer than Trigonometrist's. |
After 32. Qe1+, Black resigns in lieu of 32...Ka4 33. Rc4+! (not ??? as per <patzer2>) Rxc4, 34. b3+!!! Ka3, 35. Nxc4+ Kxa2, 36. Qc3! (forcing Black to give up the Black Queen and eventually mates Black in a few moves) Qxd4+, 37. Qxd4 Kxb3 (forced), 38. Qb2+ Ka4, 39. Nxb7+ Ka5, 40. Nd5! (forcing Black to give up another major piece - Black Rook) Rb8 (forced), 41. Qxb8 (Black has no defense against the inevitable mate with 42. Qb4#)
Note that the key move is 40. Nd5! --> much stronger than 40. Nxa8.
Kudos to <patzer2>
|May-07-09|| ||SirChrislov: Alison Chains, Fink Ployd.|
|May-07-09|| ||SuperPatzer77: Correction of my recent analysis for 39. Nxb7+ should be 39. Nxb6+|
Sorry I made a typo for White's 39th move for White Knight.
It should be 39. Nxb6+ - not Nxb7+. Sorry about that, chess folks.
|May-07-09|| ||ROO.BOOKAROO: This is supposed to be kibbitzing about the correctness of moves, and nobody does question the sanity of not taking the undefended knight on f5 with 14 .... Qxf5, Is there a trap to this capture? What is this Fink player afraid of? Or is this just a pretense at playing smart and in fact an error? "Thedoyle" raises the question, which seems of no interest to anybody. Curious indeed.|
|May-07-09|| ||ROO.BOOKAROO: And further, why doesn't Fink castle when he/she has the chance? What's the benefit of not castling in Black's position, buffeted by all White's attacking pieces? Fink does not impress anyone, and this game is interesting for White's grabbing all his opportunities,, but not worthy of any iconic collection because of the feeble responses by Fink.|
|May-07-09|| ||soberknight: Well, I was wondering why not 14...Qxf5 also. It looks obvious. 15. Rxf4 is automatic, threatens Rxg4 taking back one of the pieces, and Rxf7+ when the queen moves. I'm shortsighted in chess terms, so I can't see beyond that without taking out a chessboard and doing a proper 20 minute analysis.|
|May-07-09|| ||Octal: What about 31 .. Ka4?|
|May-07-09|| ||Octal: Oh, I just figured out 31 ... Ka4: 32 Rc4+ Rxc4 33 Qxd7+. I missed that Qxd7 was check, and therefore thought ...Rc1 was mate.|
|May-08-09|| ||patzer2: The move 14...Qxf5 is playable, but after 15. Rxf4 Qg6 16. Qxg4+ Qxg4+ 17. Rxg4 White has regained the piece with advantage.|
|May-08-09|| ||Alphastar: <SuperPatzer77: <Alphastar> What do you mean, "do you know what a joke is?"?>|
I mean exactly what I typed, since you didn't (and don't) seem to get that my post was a joke.
<You mean you're trying to pull the wool over our eyes, right???>
Yes ofcourse :D I'm a noob player with a rating of 2091 who's trying to hide his bad analysis mistake! lol
<Just cut it out, will you?>
You're overreacting. Sorry for wasting your time though.
|May-20-09|| ||WhiteRook48: I really fink there's a better pun for this|
|Jan-28-10|| ||tommy boy: Maybe good pun would be a thrash band Annihilator's song "Alison Hell" :)))|
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