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Magnus Carlsen vs Hans K Harestad
Politiken Cup 2003  ·  Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Chigorin Defense (C98)  ·  1-0


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Aug-07-07
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  playground player: <mravikiran> Hey, it could be worse: I've solved the puzzle nine days in a row, and I just can't win a game against a live opponent. I'd trade the puzzles for the wins.

BTW, this can also be solved by 36. Bxg5. If Black answers ...fxg5, you kill him with Rf7+. If he plays something else, say Bd8,then 37. Qxh5 and checkmate still looms: Black can't keep the White Queen off the checkmate square, f7. Oh, ....Be8 staves it off for a move or two. 38.Nf5+ (that square having been left unguarded), Kh8 39. Qxe8#.

Aug-07-07   Fezzik: <MAJ>

Thanks for the computer analysis! I considered 33.e5 first for two reasons: the first was that it was mentioned by <An Englishman> and played by Carlsen(which may have made the puzzle seem easier) but the second is more important.

I considered 33.e5 a very natural continuation because such a push in the center opens up the lines to the king and (at least at first blush) makes Nh5 playable.

Does the computer transpose to the e5 line with Nh5, or are the lines fairly independent of each other? I would have played 33.e5 without spending an inordinate amount of time on 33.Nh5. My alternative was 33.Be3, but I didn't get quite how strong it was.

Thanks for pointing out the alternatives!

Aug-07-07
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  kevin86: A fine mating sequence! Black is forced to open the door to let in the rook-after having "lost" the knight-his best defensive piece.

Black is left with a grim choice: take the knight and be mated Boden-style by bishop and rook. Or he could allow the knight to conspire to mate him. I guess he chose the former.

Aug-07-07
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  MostlyAverageJoe: <Fezzik: I considered 33.e5 a very natural continuation> I agree. It has a very good feeling to it. <Does the computer transpose to the e5 line with Nh5> Almost, but not quite. And Hiarcs oscillates between these two with the increasing depth of the analysis. Unfortunately, I did not save the lines, as I got more interested in the weakest of the winning moves.

<psmith: 32...Kxh6 33. h4 wins back the Knight but leads to positions where White's advantage is slight if anything.> Yes, indeed, I saw that too. Despite the appearances, it would be trading of a weak black knight (which cannot move much) for a white that becomes very strong once it gets defended by the Q. Hiarcs evaluates the result at something like +0.60.

<playground player: I've solved the puzzle nine days in a row, and I just can't win a game against a live opponent> Welcome to the club. :-)

Aug-07-07
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  Fusilli: <playground player: I've solved the puzzle nine days in a row, and I just can't win a game against a live opponent> Well, in real life no one comes to whisper in your ear: "Watch out! You are at a crucial juncture in the game. Look for sacs!" Did you try the "guess the move" feature? I think it's great. There you have to guess move by move, all of them, and you are not given any hint on crucial junctures (the puzzle is by definition a huge hint, isn't it?)
Aug-07-07   tdubb43: If you all truly think this is an easy puzzle, I would be very scared to play any of you in chess. It takes some serious ability to easily forsee the g5 h5 pawn wall that allows for the obscure mate.
Aug-07-07
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  fm avari viraf: A fantastic combination by the child prodigy. I think, one day, he's going to lift the most covetous World Title!
Aug-07-07   En prise: Given the age of Magnus Carlsen and his caliber of play, I predict that he will someday be world champion. Not a very difficult prediction I might add.
Aug-07-07
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  wanabe2000: The Q sac does the forcing. I saw 36.Bf5 at once and it works if black plays 36....fg. 37. Rf7+ Kh5 38. Rh7# however 36. Bf5 Be8 (willyfly)37. Nf5+ followed by 38. Ne7 wins a piece but not the game.
Aug-07-07
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  Rodrigo Gutierrez: <playground player : BTW, this can also be solved by 36. Bxg5. If Black answers ...fxg5, you kill him with Rf7+. If he plays something else, say Bd8,then 37. Qxh5 and checkmate still looms>

This is what I thought the solution was... do we still get credit for this?

Aug-07-07   newton296: otb i would have played bxg5 line . this is what I found and it seems good enough
Aug-07-07
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  patzer2: It's mate-in-three after 36. Qxg5!
Aug-07-07
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  RandomVisitor: Magnus had a nice position out of the opening - Black has a cramped position - and might have tried 0.71/18 18.b4 cxb4 19.cxb4 Nb6 20.axb5 axb5 21.Bd3
Aug-07-07
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  YouRang: I took me a minute or so, but I did finally find it. Once again, a position where so much firepower was aimed at the black king, that white can afford to sacrifice a full queen to open up a winning shot for the other pieces.
Aug-07-07
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  ahmadov: I failed to find it but this is a great game... A real beauty...
Aug-07-07   PAWNTOEFOUR: i get half a point just when i find the first move! and i did manage to do that, but it was fairly easy considering the angle of the bishops
Aug-07-07   PAWNTOEFOUR: <playground player>.....if you solved these puzzles nine days in a row,you're better than most of us are!you're the one i DON'T want to play
Aug-07-07
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  MostlyAverageJoe: <newton296>, <Rodrigo Gutierrez>, <playground player>, <Major Dude> and anyone else contemplating 36.Bxg5.

This move does not lead even close to a mate after black responds with 36...Nd3! and blocks the crucial diagonal b1-h7. The best white can do now is 37.Qh5 to grab the pawn and threaten Qf7, but black can play Rf8 and now what? Here's the position after 36. Bxg5 Nd3 37. Qxh5 Rf8:


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It looks unpleasant for black, but the win is still long way away. Perhaps something like: 38. Nf5+ Bxf5 39. Bh6+ Kg8 but now the rook is untouchable (if BxR, then Bg6 saves the bishop and black is ahead):


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The entire line above was confirmed with Hiarcs as optimal for both sides after 36. Bxg5, and the final position evaluates at +1.40 advantage for the white. Now the white should play 40.Qxf5, and there are plenty of subsequent lines, all of which, after deep analysis, seem to be failing for white, but they include many opportunities for white to make mistakes that would equalize.

Bottom line: yes, 36.Bxg5 wins, but only after a long game requiring skills way past the Tuesday level.

Feb-09-08
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  notyetagm: <laskereshevsky: just for the statistic...

Carlsen was 12 Years 7 Months and 23 Days old at that game time.....>

Wow.

Feb-09-08
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  notyetagm: Any strong player would see that 36 Qh4xNg5+! is a winning move.


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But how many players would see that in this position


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such a winning shot as 36 Qh4xNg5+! is possible only after Carlsen's brilliant 35 Ng3-h5+!!


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??

Dec-19-08   Furansowakun: Carlsen is fantastic. What a mate ! Superb.
Mar-21-09   WhiteRook48: why didn't black resign earlier?
Apr-12-09   GrahamClayton: A great example of the latent power of two bishops on adjacent diagonals. The c2-Bishop is such a potent piece for White in the closed Ruy Lopez.
Apr-25-09   WhiteRook48: what kind of ridiculous end position is this??
Oct-16-09   kasparvez: 36. Qxg5+ ! And his hair stood up !
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