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|Nov-13-03|| ||mc2257591: Yes, the game is over, white is immediately winning the pawn on b7 with 39.....Rg7 40 Qc8 Rg8 41 Qxb7+. Followed by 41......Rg7 42 Qa,b,or c8 Rg8 43 Rxg8 Qxg8 44 Qxg8 Kxg8 and white queens the a pawn. Black has to play 39....Rg7, blocking with 39....Qg7 loses queen for rook with 40 Re7. If 39.....Bg7 or Kh8 white swaps rooks and takes pawn on b7. What a blunder by Kasparov with 32....Rg7, I thought only I did that stuff. |
|Nov-13-03|| ||rover: Both true, sd. But with 2 points ahead Kramnik had no reason to take risks. If he played for a draw he would probably have had it. I'm reasonably sure if the match had any real significance he would have played for a draw and won the match confidently. |
|Nov-13-03|| ||rover: Kramnik's bllunder was probably even worse if that's at all possible. I wonder if it's becouse these guys are scared when they play against computers or they just get tired after a long game? (There's probably more calculation in a game against a computer) |
|Nov-13-03|| ||square dance: speaking of kramnik vs. fritz i was wondering if anyone had the complete move history of the "brains in bahrain" match in pgn form . if so i would be most grateful for an email containing those games. email@example.com |
|Nov-13-03|| ||Nova1990: <kramnik vs. fritz> SD, you can get it from this DB: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
You can use the download feature on those games. |
|Nov-13-03|| ||square dance: it is unfortunate but i do not have my own pc so i am at the library and cannot download anything. |
|Nov-13-03|| ||zorro: ...and I knew he was going to blunder...sob... Kasparov is no longer himself...sob...I think he should retire now, sparing himself a mournful decline. Farewell buddy, you were best player in the world...weep... :-(( |
|Nov-13-03|| ||PinkPanther: Maybe Kasparov is losing his Midas Touch at the chessboard. He's made two of the worst blunders of his career in what....the last month or so, maybe the last 6 weeks? |
|Nov-13-03|| ||Eggman: <Maybe Kasparov is losing his Midas Touch at the chessboard. He's made two of the worst blunders of his career in what....the last month or so>|
Indeed. One of the well-documented symptoms of decline with age is the tendency to blunder. And Kasparov is now 40 years old (where does the time go??). Then again, I wouldn't go making funeral arrangements just yet - either for GK's career, or for this match. And Karpov and Korchnoi played some pretty smokin' chess well past 40. Maybe Kasparov is just in poor form, like Karpov in 1992-1993.
|Nov-14-03|| ||Nova1990: On the Viswanathan Anand page I said that I was surprised that Kasparov was playing Ruy Lopez with Fritz. So I asked myself the question, how many games throughout his long career has Kasparov played Ruy Lopez (ECO C60-C99) as Black? According to this database, these are the results:|
C67-Polgar (Russia vs. World) loss
C92-Timman 3 draws 2wins 3 losses
C93-Deep Blue loss
Out of 2851 games. Thus my surprise.
|Nov-14-03|| ||AirForceOne: When I watched this game live on ESPN, before Kasparov made the move Rg7. I was unconsciously thinking Kasparov should make Rg8. I didn't know why I thought so; but just by instinct. Two reasons: all Kasparov's major pieces and King were better in the white squares to create more mobility for his bishop. Secondly, to avoid the tactical threat from X3D's bishop. When Kasparov made Rg7, I changed my mind and thought he is #1, he must be "right." Well, time pressure called it. Not only that, when X3D retreated its Queen to b4, Ashley and Seirawan said, X3D was about to offer a draw (??); they are the GMs, they know what they're talking about. However, the Queen retreat by X3D was actually a tactical chess that it's best at.
The final position is a lost for black. A few more checks and black will lose the b-pawn or h-pawn; and it's deadly. Without b-pawn, white will queen; without h-pawn, black king is "naked." White wins by trading down or advance its K-pawns.
I agreed with Kasparov, "It's not chess if winning by blunder that way, especially when Man meeting Machine. Kasparov has advantage till that moment.
Also agreed w/ him that the abiter's fault for not preparing the right position before he got there. It was not fair for him to talk to other people when X3D making moves and Kasparov's clock running down. I think they should set up the board right first, then let Kasparov have 10-15 min (or whatever minutes he wants) to re-adjust his perspective and re-collect his thought.
Let's vote and request the organizer to nullify game 2. It's bad enough for Kasparov to replay with black piece again. Don't you agree?
Peace out! |
|Nov-14-03|| ||pawntificator: If Kasparov loses this match then there is no hope for humanity in the future of chess. It will be like the Matrix for real. AI is taking over the world! Humanity is doomed! Computers are smarter than us now! Boo hoo. I quit chess. Nah, not really. I'm way better than Kaspy anyhoo. Let me play fritz for humanity's sake. I'll do it for a mere 50000 per game. |
|Nov-14-03|| ||Open Defence: If Kasparov loses this match, maybe there will finally be a human player who can claim a legitimate title of World Champion... its amusing how many people still regard Kasparov as Champion even though Kramnik beat him, and neither are "officially" champions |
|Nov-14-03|| ||aulero: In this game I consider the Kasparov's opening choice and his overall strategy completely right: sound closed posititon and slow gain of small positional advantages.|
Unfortunately he blundered :-(
The first game, with an aggressive and tactical opening choice, is the way how not play against a computer.
You may say that Kasparov had the advantage also in that game, but the problem is not the advantage, it's the kind of position: as Lasker taught us many years ago, you can "safely" allow your opponents to reach a good or very good positions if such positions are not suitable for their styles.
An open game is very well handled by computers not by humans. Humans can play worderful open games only against other humans.
By the way, I think that the programmers instructed Fritz how to play against the "expected" Berlin defense: in particular Fritz avoided the main line with the Queen's exchange that is not suitable for computer play.
|Nov-14-03|| ||lostemperor: Here's the first analysis of how Kasparov might have won.|
30...h4! 31.Qb4 g3 32.Rg4 gxf2+ 33.Rxf2 (33.Kh1 Ng3+!! 34.hxg3 Qb1) 33...Dh5 threatening Nh6 or Ne3.
Or even 30..Nh4!? intending Nf3
|Nov-14-03|| ||damsel: Indeed ,OPEN DEFENSE, there can be no 'WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP' without the participation of either GM Kramnik or the "Official" GM Ponomariov, and yet ESPN uses the term in bright lights.
I wonder if Ponomariov, Kramnik, or an organization will sue them? |
|Nov-14-03|| ||Fulkrum: I think Fritz wins the pawn on b7 from here. Such as from the final position 40. Qd7+ Rg7 41. Qc8 Rg8 42. Qxb7+ Rg7 43. Qa8 Rg8 44. Qa7+ Rg7 45. Qa8 and exchange pieces now. Is this correct? |
|Nov-14-03|| ||Alyosha Karamazov: Dang. Up until move 32, it looked like Kasparov might really pull it off... and with the black pieces! Up until move 32 all the commentators were sounding like those really smart football commentators who say things like, "Well if the other team scores more points, I think they might win." (Duh.) I.e. it could have gone either way and no one who wasn't a GM and wasn't using every brain cell to focus on the game could call it. I could hardly sleep last night I was so sad for Garry... and humanity! Without the blunder, this game would have continued on and we all would have been treated to some exciting, tense chess. As it was, however.... |
|Nov-14-03|| ||Alyosha Karamazov: For you real clever (or Fritz-equipped) folks, would 27. ... Ne7 have been substantially better than 27. ... Qg6 ? |
|Nov-14-03|| ||numlock31: Whats so bad about 37...Rg7?
Is it b/c it loses the b7 pawn?
|Nov-14-03|| ||PinkZebra: I liked the way Kasparov triangulated with the Queen to force resignation. |
|Nov-14-03|| ||PinkZebra: You list this game with the computer playing white. Please correct this as on the game page the computer is black. |
|Nov-14-03|| ||Helloween: I think computer chess is overrated. Who cares if a computer can beat the world no.1. If anything, it's a great day for humanity, to know that we made such technological advancements, and everything the computer knows, we taught it. In 2003, a chess computer with such deep calculating ability should be able to handily beat the strongest human in the world, almost every time. For the 40-year old ex world champion even to win 1 game would be a surprise, and would be something to be proud of.|
I'm not big on all the hype with human v.s. computer matches. I think computers should be used more for training and analysis.
|Nov-14-03|| ||Phoenix: Uhhh Pink Zebra...
<You list this game with the computer playing white. Please correct this as on the game page the computer is black.>
The computer WAS white (as seen on TV) and KASPAROV was the one who lost.
|Nov-14-03|| ||bentengutama: after this `blunder of da year game`, kasparov will improve his cost as a black.
during de end of his day we can hear he said, ``i hate black``. |
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