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Tiger Hillarp Persson vs Judit Polgar
"The Lady or the Tiger?" (game of the day Jun-15-05)
Hotel Bali Stars (2003)  ·  Nimzo-Indian Defense: Kmoch Variation (E20)  ·  1-0
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Jun-15-05  rishi: I think 9..f5 is not very pleasing for black as there is a lot of pressure down the a2-g8 diagonal and the pawn on e6 is definitely weak. I must admit that i do not know what other move could be better for black at move 9. NimzoIndian is normally bad for black when he lets white have the bishop pair AND fails to create any pawn weakness (islands). here white seems to have a massive centre and not much behind in development (another thing that black aims to create). FYI, The book by tony kosten is great for nimzo players!
Jun-15-05  ZeroVektor: Long time reader, first time poster...Why not Nxc3? Seems like black can get the N out, though it may cost time, though she's already castled. Thanks, ZV
Jun-15-05  sharkbenjamin: <ZeroVektor> I do not know. Maybe the data base has the answer.
Jun-15-05  Marco65: I was also wondering why not 8...Nc3. E.g.

9.Qc2 Qxd4 10.Bb2 Qe3+ 11.Ne2 Nxe2 and I don't see enough compensation for the 2 pawns

9.Qb3 Nxe4 [9...Qxd4? 10.Bb2 Qe3+ 11.Be2 Nd5 12.Qxe3 Nxe3 13.Kf2 Nc2 14.Rc1 actually traps the knight] 10.fxe4 Qxd4 11.Bb2 Qxe4+ with 4 pawns for the knight.

Jun-15-05  DanRoss53: Why not 17. Bxb5 ? Is 16... b5 just to get the White Bishop off of the a2-g8 diagonal?
Jun-15-05  nikolaas: <DanRoss53>After 17.Bxb5 Nxd5 seems to be very dangerous for white.
Jun-15-05  Marco65: There was actually a high level game, Komarov-Panchenko (Bucharest 1994) unfortunately not in this database, that went 8... Nxc3 9. Qb3 Qxd4 10. Bb2 Qe3+ 11. Be2 Nd5 12. Qxe3 Nxe3 13. Kf2 Nd5 14. exd5 exd5 with 3 pawns for the knight, and Black lost.

Maybe the bad reputation of 8...Nxc3 grew on that game. Could my 9...Nxe4 be an improvement? I doubt a GM would miss that, but if I'm right I ask royalties to any players who win with that!

Jun-15-05  DanRoss53: <nikolaas> 17. Bxb5 Nxd5 18. exd5 Qxd5 19. Qe2 Bb7 20. Rg1 looks winning for White to me...but I have to agree that 17. Bxb5 Nxd5! does make things very dangerous.
Jun-15-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: The Tiger wins this game-will Tiger win at Pinehurst this week?

Black loses the exchange early... and never catches up.

Jun-15-05
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  WannaBe: Is there a reason on 17, Bishop did not take Bxb5 ? I Also disliked how Ms. Polgar 22. ... Nf8 locking in the Rook, enabling 23. Bf7.
Jun-15-05  patzer2: Here is an analysis using the ChessGames.com Opening Explorer and Fritz 8:

<1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. f3 d5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 O-O!?> While I still much prefer the more popular 6...c5 here, I have changed my mind somewhat about my previously posted comment, as I now realize there is nothing inherently wrong with 6...0-0!? After all, Tal , Fischer and Ivanchuk all previously attempted it. <7. cxd5 Nxd5?!> This rare but dubious try, on the other hand, is a little hard to justify. Black lost all three games in the ChessGames.com database in which this move was attempted, including Yurtaev vs R Dautov, 1989 and Shirov vs Ivanchuk, 1989 . Relatively better for Black is the standard opening book continuation 7... exd5 8. e3 Re8=, as in Chabanon vs S Romieux, 2001 . However, the results of Gheorghiu vs Fischer, 1966 and Bronstein vs Geller, 1961 would suggest that this line is also not without danger for Black. <8. e4 Ne7 9. f4!?> White varies from 9. Bd3 which was successfully used in the only other attempt by Black in this line in Yurtaev vs R Dautov, 1989 . <9...c5 10. Nf3> If 10. dxc5?!, then 10...Qa5!= leads to quick equality or better for Black. <10... Qa5 11. Bd2 Nbc6 12. d5> A worthy alternative here might be 12. Bd3! , going for quick development. <12... exd5 13. c4!> This little discovered attack move gives White a solid positional advantage. <13...Qd8 14. cxd5 Nd4 15. Nxd4 cxd4 16. Bc4 b5?> Relatively better was 16...Re8 17. 0-0 conceding White a smaller advantage, but retaining better drawing chances.

Jun-15-05  patzer2: <17. Ba2> Rather than get into immediate tactical complications, White prefers to settle for a clear positional advantage. However, according to Fritz 8, White can can get away with taking the pawn for a win after 17. Bxb5! Rb8 (17... f5 18. Qb3 Kh8 19. e5 Nxd5 20. Bc6 Be6 21. Bxa8 Qxa8 22. Qf3 Rc8 23. O-O ) 18. Bc4 Qc7 19. Rc1 Qd6 20. O-O Qxa3 21. f5 Bd7 22. Bf4 Rb6 23. Qxd4 Rc8 24. Be5 Qa4 (24... Rb4 25. Ra1 ) 25. Bxg7 Qb4 26. Bh8 Qc5 27. Qxc5 Rxc5 28. Bd4 (+5.03 @ 15 depth & 1272kN/s) <17... Kh8?!> Better for Black was 18...Re8 19. 0-0 , retaining drawing chances. <18. Bb4!> Now, with superior development and an isolated Black pawn up for the taking, White has a positionally won game. <18...Re8 19. O-O a5 20. Bc5 f5 21. d6!> White adds to Black's troubles with another neat positional clearance move. <21...Ng6 22. e5> This is winning, but a strong alternative is 22. Bd5! Rb8 (22... Ra6 23. Qxd4 fxe4 24. Bf7 Rf8 25. Bxg6 hxg6 26. d7 $18) 23. Qxd4 fxe4 24. Ba7 Qxd6 25. Bxb8 <22... Nf8> If 22... Be6, then White wins after 23. Bxe6 Rxe6 24. Bxd4 Re8 25. Qb3 Qd7 26. Rac1 , as the passed pawn cannot be stopped. <23. Bf7!> Traps the Rook and wins the exchange and a Pawn for an easy win. <23...Ne6 24. Bxe8 Qxe8 25. Bxd4 Bd7 26. Be3 Rb8 27. Qd3 Qf7 28. Rf2 Bc6 29. Rc1 Be4 30. Qd2 Qd7 31. Qxa5 h6 32. Rd2 Ra8 33. Qc3 Kh7 34. Rb2 Rg8 35. Rb4 Qb7 36. Qd2 Ra8 37. Rc3 Rg8 38. h3 Kh8 39. a4 g5 40. fxg5 Nxg5 41. Bxg5 Rxg5 42. Rxe4!> This little deflection exchange sacrifice removes the Queen's guard and allows the passed pawn to promote <42...Qxe4 43. d7 1-0>

Jun-15-05  nikolaas: 17.Bxb5 Nxd5 18.exd5 Qxd5 19.Qe2 Ba6 looks very difficult to me. Can anyone please clarify this?
Jun-15-05  patzer2: <nikolaas> If <17. Bxb5!> I have to admit it really gets very difficult for both sides after <17... Nxd5 18. exd5 Qxd5,> but instead of <19. Qe2!? Ba6!?>, it seems White has better chances in the endgame after 19. Bf1! Bf5, when play according to Fritz 8 might continue 20. Kf2 Rab8 21. Kg1 Rb2 22. Qe1 Qd7 23. Rc1 Re8 24. Qf2 d3 25. h3 Re2 26. Bxe2 Rxd2 27. Re1 h6 28. Qe3 Rxe2 29. Rxe2 dxe2 30. Qxe2 Qd4+ 31. Qf2 Qa1+ 32. Kh2 Qxa3 33. Rd1 a6 34. Qd4 Qb3 35. Qd5 Be6 36. Qxb3 Bxb3 37. Rb1 Bc4 38. g4 Bb5 39. Rc1 Kh7 40. Kg3 Kg6 41. f5+ Kf6 42. Kf4 g5+ 43. Ke4 Bd7 44. Kd4 Bb5 45. Re1 Bc6 46. Rb1 Bb5 47. Rb3 Bf1 48. Re3 Bb5 49. Kc5 Bf1 50. Kb6 Bb5 51. Ka5 Bf1 52. Kb4 Bb5 53. Re1 h5 54. Ka5 h4 55. Re4 Bf1 56. Re3 Bc4 57. Rc3 Bf1 58. Rf3 Be2 59. Rf2 Bb5 60. Kb6 Bd3 61. Rf3 Be2 62. Re3 Bf1 63. Kc6 Bb5+ 64. Kc5 Bf1 65. Kb6 Kg7 66. Rf3 Be2 67. Rf2 Bb5 68. f6+ Kg6 69. Kc5 Bd3 70. Kd6 Bc4 71. Rf5 Bd3 72. Rf3 Be2 73. Re3 Bf1 74. Rc3 Bg2 (74... Bb5 75. Ke7 a5 76. Rc8 a4 77. Rg8+ Kh7 78. Rg7+ Kh6 79. Rxf7 a3 80. Rf8 a2 81. Ra8 ) 75. Ke7 a5 76. Rc8 Bd5 77. Rc5 Bg2 78. Rxa5 Bxh3 79. Ra8 Bxg4 80. Rg8+ Kf5 81. Kxf7 Bf3 82. Rd8 Bh5+ 83. Ke7 Bg6 84. Rh8 g4 85. Rxh4 Kg5 86. Rh8 g3 87. Rh3 (Not 87. f7? Bxf7 88. Kxf7 Kf4 = with a draw) 87... Kg4 88. Rh6 Kg5 89. Rxg6+ Kxg6 90. f7 Kf5 91. f8=Q+ Kg4 92. Qf1 with a white win.

Perhaps the potential for such complications is what convinced White to play the solid 17. Ba2! line with a strong positional advantage.

Jun-15-05  DanRoss53: 17. Bxb5 Nxd5 18. exd5 Qxd5 19. Qe2 Ba6 20. Bxa6 Rae8 21. O-O Rxe2 22. Bxe2 is still winning for White, but definitely complicated.
Jun-15-05  Kingsandsquares: "The Eye of the Tiger"!
Jun-15-05  Knight13: Tiger Hillarp Persson totally crushed Polgar here. So the answer to the question "The Lady or the Tiger?" would be the Tiger.
Jun-15-05  nikolaas: <patzer2> I hope I wasn't supposed to play that whole lot over in my head? :-)
Jun-15-05
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  YouRang: An off-day for Judit?
Jun-16-05  iron maiden: More like an off-tournament, since she ended up finishing ninth out of ten players with -2.
Jun-16-05
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  kevin86: the lady bogeyed vs the tiger
Oct-14-06  whatthefat: Gee, what a mess for Judit. Quite uncharacteristic.
Jan-04-09  WhiteRook48: and how Persson played that game. Exchange Sac was interesting. WHY DO I NOT SEE D7? or maybe just high rateds see this
Mar-10-09  WhiteRook48: the pawn or the king?
Jan-16-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  waustad: I'd heard that Tiger was a lady's man -- oh wait that is a different one.
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