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|Jun-10-12|| ||Tiggler: <morfishine: <Tiggler> On your comment <Earlier posters (in 2004) also offered 22. Qe3 as a possibly winning improvement for W> Yes, but after <22...Qb4> white is lost>|
<Patzer2 Dec 8-2004> gives: <22...Qb4 23. a3 Qa5 24. Qd2 Qb6 25. Qd4 Qxd4 26. Rxd4 Nc6 27. Rdd1 Nxe5 28. Ka2 Nf3 29. Re3 Nd4 30. Rd2 Nf5 31. Rh3>. Said he was using Fritz 8.
Looks OK to me.
|Jun-10-12|| ||sevenseaman: Thanks <morfishine > & <Timetraveller>. Both of you and CT who too concur with you that it is game 5 are perhaps right.|
I got the link to the game that contains my position (27...Bxa4) via a <CG> home page search. There the game is numbered as #12. and Fischer plays black. You click this link in my earlier comment that I gleaned from Game 12, you'll get this position. Hence my innocent assertion.
This is an obvious anomaly that I have no explanation for.
Many thanks for your sporting help.
|Jun-11-12|| ||gawain: I did not fully appreciate this finish until I played it out on computer and looked at how Petrosian would have won after different tries by White, such as 26 Qf4|
|Jun-11-12|| ||gars: I did not solve it, of course, but moves 23 and 24 are quite obvious. The "Petrosian Twist" begins at 25) c3 and goes on until move 27) Qc4. I could not see why "white's position is fubar" as <gofer> says but I am a very weak player. What amuses me is that Petrosian plays this game seeking the initiative as soon as possible, which does not seem typical of him, as far as I can say. A beautiful game!|
|Jun-11-12|| ||gars: Raymond Keene comments on this game on page 15 of his book "Petrosian versus the Elite". He states that on move 12 White's position is already becoming critical.|
|Jul-29-12|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Funny how Black's development is superior after 12 moves with only one piece in play. I don't like 5.h3 because the Queen feels out of play on f3; Karpov would have played 5.Be2 and 6.0-0 first because he liked that versus the Pirc, and would have provided a smoother development here. I also believe that 10.0-0-0 is a "??" move. Despite the bad 8.g4 advance, White is still safer on the King side.|
|Jul-29-12|| ||andrewjsacks: Wonderful little-known game!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||Snehalshekatkar: Brilliant!!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||Travis Bickle: Even though I though 0-0-0 was a bad idea for white, what a devastating attack by Petrosian that ends with a Queen sac offer!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||gars: I quote <Phony Benoni>'s question on June 10th: "Why do I have the feeling Petrosian would have been good at Fischer Random?" The answer is simple: Fischer Random is pure Chess without any of the opening theory mumbo jumbo and Petrosian was a superb player. That's all, folks!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||SuperPatzer77: I love Tigran Petrosian because he was deaf himself. So am I. :-)|
Cheers to the roarin' Tigran Petrosian!!!
He sure could give any grandmasters a big headache if he were alive today.
|Jul-29-12|| ||lemaire90: Spectacular !|
|Jul-29-12|| ||Riverbeast: 27...Qc4 is the type of move that should be played with pinky finger raised...|
|Jul-29-12|| ||WannaBe: Tigran was deaf?! I never knew that!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||jackpawn: Petrosian wore hearing aids so he wasn't totally deaf.|
|Jul-29-12|| ||PhilFeeley: <WannaBe> You've been around here for how long and you didn't know that? Strange the details we miss.|
I don't get the "Spartak" reference. Anyone?
|Jul-29-12|| ||jackpawn: Petrosian, especially during this timeframe, was just a ton! D@mn, this game is impressive!|
|Jul-30-12|| ||SuperPatzer77: <WannaBe: Tigran was deaf?! I never knew that! >
<WannaBe> Take a look at the website link - |
Read the story under the subtopic "Deafness"
|Jul-30-12|| ||kevin86: White either allows the queen to mate or takes the queen and is mated by the knight (kind of an opened-face smothered mate).|
|Jul-30-12|| ||WannaBe: <PhilFeeley> I know, I feel silly (stupid)...|
<SuperPatzer77> Thanks for the link, great read.
I like this quote: "He [Petrosian] has an incredible tactical view, and a wonderful sense of the danger... No matter how much you think deep... He will 'smell' any kind of danger 20 moves before!" – Robert Fischer
|Nov-13-12|| ||Cemoblanca: Petrosian was a real "Ladykiller"! ;) What a beauty! RIP!|
By the way: I only know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeY... :D
|Feb-20-14|| ||Strelets: <PhilFeeley> Spartak refers to Voluntary Sports Society (VSS) Spartak, in which Tigran Vartanovich was a member. Many prominent Soviet grandmasters had such an affiliation: Botvinnik played for Trudovye Rezervy (Labor Reserves), Smyslov was a long-time member of Burevestnik (Stormy Petrel), Tal (Latvian by birth) belonged to Daugava, Spassky was in Lokomotiv, and Karpov was a member of TsSKA (Tsentral'nyi sportivnyi klub armii-Central Army Sports Club).|
|Apr-22-14|| ||Mating Net: The piece sac is tremendous, but the quiet, but deadly 25...c3! is top class. It cuts off the White Queen and freezes the c pawn ensuring that the lines of communication are permanently impaired.|
|May-06-15|| ||ToTheDeath: What a fantastic game by Petrosian, in his younger years he played some sparkling chess. Great sac and the finish is elegant. |
18.Be4!? looks dangerous for Black but I have not analyzed it, at any rate it offers more of a fight than opening the b file did.
|May-07-15|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: In his book The Art of Defense in Chess, Andrew Soltis opens with the game J Klavins vs I Zdanovs, 1961. Compare this game after move 11 with that game after move 13:|
1. Black has exactly one piece developed;
2. It's a Knight on b6;
3. White had played 0-0-0? in both games;
4. Black's development stinks in numbers yet is superior in quality;
5. Both players with Black sacrificed that Nb6 on c4 and won in less than 30 moves.
Rather a tad eerie.
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