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Dec-07-04
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| patzer2: <beatgiant> Thanks for your analysis. I stand corrected. Looks like 22. Qe3? doesn't work for White afterall. After 22. Qe3? Qb4! White is busted. Play might continue 22. Qe3? Qb4! 23. f4 Nf5 24. Qd2 Rxa2+ 25. Kxa2 (25. Nxa2 Rb1#) 25...Ra8+ 26. Na4 Rxa4+ 27. Ba3 Rxa3#. < |
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Dec-07-04
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| patzer2: <MyCatPlaysChess> According to Fritz 8, which is a strong computer program, it would appear White has nothing better than 22. Nb1. Unfortunately for White, Black wins in this line and in all other variations. After 22. Nb1, Fritz 8 gives 22...c3! 23. Nxc3 (not 23. Qxc3 Rxb1+  ) 23...Nc6 24. Nb5 Nxe5 25. Rxe5 Bxe5+ 26. Bb2 Qxc2 27. Rb1 Qa4 28. Qa3 Rxb5 with a clearly won position for Black. |
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| Dec-08-04 |
| Cyphelium: <patzer2 & beatgiant> I was analysing the same 23.- d4!? move as beatgiant, but I didn't post anything because I couldn't quite make it work. True, after 22. Qe3 Qa5 23. Qd2 d4 24. Qxd4, 24.- Nf5 wins the piece back immediatly (25. Qxc4 Rc8; 25. Qd2 Rd8). I would certainly have been tempted by this line in a practical game - the endgame looks good for black- but the line given by beatgiant might be even stronger, since the pressure on c3 is very unpleasant. But 24. Ne4 is more of a problem. After 24.- c3 25. Qxd4 Rb4, 26. Qxc3!? might be playable, since 26.- Bxe5 runs into 27. Nf6+, for example 27.- Bxf6 28. Qxf6 Nd5 29. Rxd5 exd5 30. Bb2. Another variation: 26. - Nd5 27. Rxd5 exd5 28. Ba3 Bf8 29. Bxb4 Bxb4 30. Qc6. So it looks like white might hold? This is very complicated though, and maybe black has a win in there somewhere? <patzer2><After 22. Qe3? Qb4! White is busted> The variation you provide to support this claim doesn't make sense. It seems like you've analysed without the black pawn on a7. =) |
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Dec-08-04
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| patzer2: <Cyphelium><It seems like you've analysed without the black pawn on a7. =)> Thanks Cyphelium you are correct (I set up the board to analyze without a key Black pawn on a7), and that changes the entire assessment. I'll do another analysis for 22. Qe3, and this time with the right setup (maybe removing your own pawns could be a new variant of Fischer Random, or in this case Patzer2 Random). |
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Dec-08-04
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| patzer2: Looks like 22. Qe3! does hold the position with a small advantage (or at least equality) for white afterall. Sorry for the confusion on the second analysis look in which I left off one of Black's pawn on a7. An expanded analysis, using Fritz 8 to validate, follows: 22.  e3! a5
[22...Qxe3 23. Rxe3 Nc6 24. f4 d4 25. Re4 dxc3 26. Rxc4  ] [22...Qb4 23. a3 Qa5 24. Qd2 Qb6 25. Qd4 Qxd4 26. Rxd4 Nc6 27. Rdd1 Nxe5 28. Ka2 Nf3 29. Re3 Nd4 30. Rd2 Nf5 31. Rh3  ] Note: this reverses my previous assessment that <after 22. Qe3? Qb4! White is busted>. In fact, 22. Qe3! Qb4!? seems to give White slightly better chances in a complex and unbalanced position. 22. e3! a5 23. d2  b6
[23...d4? 24. Ne4! Rb4 (24...c3 25. Qxd4 Nc6 26. Qc4 Nb4 27. Re2 Rd8 28. Nxc3 Bxe5 29. Rxd8+ Rxd8 30. Rxe5 Qxe5 31. Qxb4  ) 25. Bxc4 Bxe5 26. Nf6+ Bxf6 27. gxf6 Nf5 28. h5 Rab8 29. Bb3 ] Note: <beatgiant>, on second look it does appear that White wins after <22. Qe3! Qa5 23. Qd2 d4? 24. Ne4! >. Of course in the line that follows after 22. Qe3! Qa5 23. Qd2 Rb6! below, White equalizes with only a slight advantage. 22. e3! a5 23. d2 b6! 24.  b2 ab8 25.  xd5 xd5 [25...Qxd2?? 26. Nxe7+ ]
22. e3! a5 23. d2 b6 24. b2 ab8 25. xd5 xd5 26. xd5 xd5 27. d4 c6 28. b1 d8 29. c3 |
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Dec-08-04
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| patzer2: <MycatPlaysChess> If a cat has nine lives, then hopefully 22. Qe3! has at least three (good, bad, good again) as it does appear to save the game for White. The availability of 22. Qe3! as a saving resource also validates your opinion that 22. Nb1?? was the losing blunder. |
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| Dec-08-04 |
| drukenknight: nice work here, inspired by the cat. |
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| Dec-20-04 |
| SnoopDogg: Not only am I impressed with the 19-move calculation, but the fact that this game proves that Petrosian looks at all lines including ones concerning sacrifices. Even calculated it down to the bone with 27. Qc4!. Scary, very scary to play Petrosian. If he were alive today, Deep Junior would have nightmares of him in sleep mode. |
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Jun-16-05
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| mormonchess: <SnoopDogg> Hehe, you're right. It's a shame that Petrosian isn't around anymore. He died way too young (age 55). I echo all the comments here. Petrosian calculated very deeply. What is not commonly known was shared by Kasparov in his third volume of "My Great Predecessors": Petrosian was unequalled at blitz chess. In fact, when young Fischer visited Moscow, they finally sent Petrosian in to wrestle with the kid at blitz because Fischer was beating the others left and right at blitz. Petrosian was able to beat him, while the others struggled. He was a great chess titan! |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| SnoopDogg: I heard also that he let young Yaz win a few games because Yaz didn't want to play Petrosian in blitz because he knew what would happen. Then Petrosian won the rest of the games and crushed his confidence hehehe. |
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| Nov-16-05 |
| Richerby: <karnak64><Botvinnik once said: "If Tal offers a sacrifice, accept it. If I offer a sacrifice, consider it. If Petrosian offers a sacrifice, resign."> I think you have the quote slightly wrong. This is mentioned in volume II of Kasparov's book as (quoting from memory), ``If Tal offers a sacrifice, accept it; if I [Botvinnik] offer a sacrifice, analyze it and play it on its merits; if Smyslov offers a sacrifice, decline it.'' I'm sure it was Smyslov rather than Petrosian and reasonably sure the advice was to just decline the sacrifice rather than resign. |
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| Feb-09-06 |
| jackmandoo: Where can I get a big poster of Petrosian? I want one for my room. Oh and I could use a little one for my restroom. Better also get me a wallet size also to show my co-workers. |
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Feb-09-06
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| Resignation Trap: <jackmandoo> Just print this image, it should be just what you're looking for in your restroom: http://www.gelos.ru/month/jul2005/b... . |
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Aug-23-06
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| notyetagm: <SnoopDogg: I heard also that he let young Yaz win a few games because Yaz didn't want to play Petrosian in blitz because he knew what would happen. Then Petrosian won the rest of the games and crushed his confidence hehehe.> Yaz? Who is that?
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| Aug-24-06 |
| aw1988: Yasser Seirawan. |
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Aug-25-06
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| notyetagm: <aw1988> Thanks. That's who I thought. Dams this is an awesome game by Petrosian. It's just like Botvinnik said, if Petrosian sacrifices you might as well resign on the spot because you are lost. Petrosian did not speculate like Tal did. |
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Aug-25-06
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| notyetagm: 27 ... c4!!
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| Aug-25-06 |
| RookFile: I think 8. g4 was bad, and 10. 0-0-0 was a strategic mistake. Notice how Petrosian kept white guessing as to where his king was going, but all along Petrosian had a clear target of attack on the queenside. I think 8. Bd3 followed by 0-0 was a good option for white. If black plays ...Qb6 than Rb1 isn't the end of the world. |
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Aug-25-06
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| notyetagm: <RookFile> Yes, this game is a crystal clear example of the dangers of premature castling when the center is closed. When the center is closed like it is here, you really do not want to rush into castling because that just gives your opponent an obvious target to attack. And the flank attack against the castled king is justified because the opponent cannot use the standard response of meeting such aggression with a counterattack in the center since the center is blocked. |
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Aug-25-06
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| notyetagm: <RookFile> Just like Pillsbury said, "Castle because you want to or because you have to, not because you can". |
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Aug-28-06
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| Domdaniel: 27...Qc4 is pretty and aesthetically pleasing, but 27...Qa5 would have mated just as quickly without a queen offer. I'm more impressed by some of Petrosian's positional choices earlier in the game, like ...Rfb8. A lot of players would automatically use the other rook on the grounds that the Rf8 is protecting f7. But White can't get at f7, while the Ra8 is needed in some lines to support the a-pawn.
The whole damn thing is exquisite. |
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Feb-21-07
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| aazqua: Great stuff. Just keeps throwing the wood on the fire until the whole place burns down. |
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| May-08-07 |
| Chicago Chess Man: This game seems to blow away the theories about development versus passive play. After white's 11th move, he has four developed pieces versus black's one knight. Looking at black's position, his king in the middle, absolutely none of his kingside pieces in play, you'd think he were in hot water. Then Petrosian calmly spend the next two moves developing his one active piece to a good square and goes on to crush white on the queenside while white has absolutely no threats on the kingside. Amazing. |
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Mar-18-08
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| Nezhmetdinov: This is an absolute gem. |
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| Dec-12-08 |
| Poisonpawns: <Chicago Chess Man this game seems to blow away the theories about development versus passive play>
Actually on the contrary.The reason why whites development doesn't matter here is because he foolishly closed the position with 9.e5,shooting himself in the foot.This principle of development is true,but for open positions.Therefore white should keep the position open.The closed nature of the position allowed Petrosian the flank attack.Check Closed games such as Czech Benoni,Stonewall Defense,French Defense etc.development is not as important as piece location per se.So Petrosian moves the knight several times to c4,because he has time in the closed position.Also notice at move 20 the White pieces are "Developed"and useless but blacks pieces are being placed where they belong.Which is most important?
g4 d5! meeting the flank attack in the center.9.e5? ng8 10.0-0-0 white tips his hand to early,combined with the early closure of the center;black doesnt have to worry about development so much and launches a nasty attack on the queenside. |
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