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|Jun-10-12|| ||Patriot: Black is up a pawn for a piece.
There are so many candidates and too many permutations. None of them seem to hit upon a winning sequence. It would be nice to get the a1-h8 diagonal open but nothing seems to work. I looked at 23...Nxe5 24.Rxe5 Qxf2 25.Qxf2 Bxe5+ 26.Rd4 as one idea.
How about 23...Rxb1+ 24.Kxb1 Rb8+ 25.Ka1 Nxe5 26.Rxe5 Qb4? That is devastating. 27.Qa3? Bxe5+ 28.c3 Bxc3+ 29.Bb2 Bxb2+ . This isn't completely forced, however. 26.Bb2 is also possible or 26.c3. So I'm thinking 23...Nxe5 is the first move. If black plays 24.Rxe5, then we transpose into the line above.
I spent way too much time on this and I'm still not positive.
|Jun-10-12|| ||Marmot PFL: Although when black regains material 26 Bd2 Nd4 27 Bd3 cd2 he now threatens Qc3+ so I think this line also wins for black, though less attractively than Petrosian's.|
|Jun-10-12|| ||Patriot: Missed it. In my line above, <23...Rxb1+ 24.Kxb1 Rb8+ 25.Ka1 Nxe5 26.Rxe5 Qb4> white plays 27.Ba3 instead and wins.|
This was very tough. It took Houdini 40 seconds (18-ply) to find 23...Rxb1+ and evaluate it as winning. I considered that line right up to 25...c3 but didn't see the win.
Oh well...I tried!
|Jun-10-12|| ||agb2002: Black has a bishop and a pawn for the bishop pair.
The knight controls two important squares a3 and c3 which might be used to block the a-file and the a1-h8 diagonal respectively. Since the rook on a8 is idle we can consider 23... Rxb1+ 24.Kxb1 Rb8+ 25.Ka1 (25.Bb2 Qb4 forces 26.Qb3) 25... c3 (25... Qb4 26.Ba3 and Rb1):
A) 26.Ba3(e3,f4) Qxa3 27.Rb1 Rb2 - +.
B) 26.Qf4 d4 renews the threat Qb4.
C) 26.Re3 Qb4 27.Ba3 Qxa3 28.Rb1 (28.Rxc3 Qxb2#) 28... Rb2 - +.
|Jun-10-12|| ||Tiggler: <morfishine: <Tiggler> On your comment <Earlier posters (in 2004) also offered 22. Qe3 as a possibly winning improvement for W> Yes, but after <22...Qb4> white is lost>|
<Patzer2 Dec 8-2004> gives: <22...Qb4 23. a3 Qa5 24. Qd2 Qb6 25. Qd4 Qxd4 26. Rxd4 Nc6 27. Rdd1 Nxe5 28. Ka2 Nf3 29. Re3 Nd4 30. Rd2 Nf5 31. Rh3>. Said he was using Fritz 8.
Looks OK to me.
|Jun-10-12|| ||sevenseaman: Thanks <morfishine > & <Timetraveller>. Both of you and CT who too concur with you that it is game 5 are perhaps right.|
I got the link to the game that contains my position (27...Bxa4) via a <CG> home page search. There the game is numbered as #12. and Fischer plays black. You click this link in my earlier comment that I gleaned from Game 12, you'll get this position. Hence my innocent assertion.
This is an obvious anomaly that I have no explanation for.
Many thanks for your sporting help.
|Jun-11-12|| ||gawain: I did not fully appreciate this finish until I played it out on computer and looked at how Petrosian would have won after different tries by White, such as 26 Qf4|
|Jun-11-12|| ||gars: I did not solve it, of course, but moves 23 and 24 are quite obvious. The "Petrosian Twist" begins at 25) c3 and goes on until move 27) Qc4. I could not see why "white's position is fubar" as <gofer> says but I am a very weak player. What amuses me is that Petrosian plays this game seeking the initiative as soon as possible, which does not seem typical of him, as far as I can say. A beautiful game!|
|Jun-11-12|| ||gars: Raymond Keene comments on this game on page 15 of his book "Petrosian versus the Elite". He states that on move 12 White's position is already becoming critical.|
|Jul-29-12|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Funny how Black's development is superior after 12 moves with only one piece in play. I don't like 5.h3 because the Queen feels out of play on f3; Karpov would have played 5.Be2 and 6.0-0 first because he liked that versus the Pirc, and would have provided a smoother development here. I also believe that 10.0-0-0 is a "??" move. Despite the bad 8.g4 advance, White is still safer on the King side.|
|Jul-29-12|| ||andrewjsacks: Wonderful little-known game!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||Snehalshekatkar: Brilliant!!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||Travis Bickle: Even though I though 0-0-0 was a bad idea for white, what a devastating attack by Petrosian that ends with a Queen sac offer!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||gars: I quote <Phony Benoni>'s question on June 10th: "Why do I have the feeling Petrosian would have been good at Fischer Random?" The answer is simple: Fischer Random is pure Chess without any of the opening theory mumbo jumbo and Petrosian was a superb player. That's all, folks!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||SuperPatzer77: I love Tigran Petrosian because he was deaf himself. So am I. :-)|
Cheers to the roarin' Tigran Petrosian!!!
He sure could give any grandmasters a big headache if he were alive today.
|Jul-29-12|| ||lemaire90: Spectacular !|
|Jul-29-12|| ||Riverbeast: 27...Qc4 is the type of move that should be played with pinky finger raised...|
|Jul-29-12|| ||WannaBe: Tigran was deaf?! I never knew that!|
|Jul-29-12|| ||jackpawn: Petrosian wore hearing aids so he wasn't totally deaf.|
|Jul-29-12|| ||PhilFeeley: <WannaBe> You've been around here for how long and you didn't know that? Strange the details we miss.|
I don't get the "Spartak" reference. Anyone?
|Jul-29-12|| ||jackpawn: Petrosian, especially during this timeframe, was just a ton! D@mn, this game is impressive!|
|Jul-30-12|| ||SuperPatzer77: <WannaBe: Tigran was deaf?! I never knew that! >
<WannaBe> Take a look at the website link - |
Read the story under the subtopic "Deafness"
|Jul-30-12|| ||kevin86: White either allows the queen to mate or takes the queen and is mated by the knight (kind of an opened-face smothered mate).|
|Jul-30-12|| ||WannaBe: <PhilFeeley> I know, I feel silly (stupid)...|
<SuperPatzer77> Thanks for the link, great read.
I like this quote: "He [Petrosian] has an incredible tactical view, and a wonderful sense of the danger... No matter how much you think deep... He will 'smell' any kind of danger 20 moves before!" – Robert Fischer
|Nov-13-12|| ||Cemoblanca: Petrosian was a real "Ladykiller"! ;) What a beauty! RIP!|
By the way: I only know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeY... :D
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