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Suat Atalik vs Gyula Sax
"Sax and Violence" (game of the day Dec-02-2015)
Maroczy mem (1997), Szeged HUN, rd 3, Nov-14
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Classical. Noa Variation San Remo Variation (E37)  ·  1-0


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Dec-21-14  BOSTER: < Edeltalent: 22.Bc8>. Keep your <self-ironic > for himself.
Dec-21-14  Eduardo Leon: I was like... when did I see this position before?

Until I remembered I had solved this very same puzzle three years and a half ago: S Atalik vs Sax, 1997

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  Once: <Edeltalent> Yes, they win too.

<BOSTER> There is an old saying about he who lives by the sword will die by the sword. You have a habit of trying to pick fault with other people's comments. And that, I'm afraid, means that people will look to pick fault with your comments in return.

On the other hand, if you treat people with respect ... there's a good chance that they will treat you with respect in return.

Dec-22-14  Edeltalent: <BOSTER: < Edeltalent: 22.Bc8>. Keep your <self-ironic > for himself.> I was just having fun with the stupid stuff the engines come up with and not criticizing your comment, so no need to feel offended.
Dec-22-14  BOSTER: <Once> the same old saying return to you.
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  CHESSTTCAMPS: Don't have much time to spend on this but I like the efficiency of 20.Nxf7+, noting that Bxf7? 21.e6+ Kg8 22.exf7+ Rxf7 23.Qe6 Raf8 24.Qf6 forces mate quickly. I suspect the best defense is 20... Kg7 21.Bxd6 Rxf7 where the best continuation might be Bc4 threatening the devastating 23.e6+. Time for a quick review...
Dec-23-14  Abdel Irada: <BOSTER>, <CHESSTTCAMPS>: I did address the 20. ...Kg7 defense in my analysis, although not in depth.

It seems to me that our objective is still to clear the long diagonal, and for that we don't *have* to take on e6. More efficient, to me, is simply to retreat 21. Ng5, when Black has nothing better than 21. ...Bxc4, leaving his kingside fatally weakened on both light and dark squares.

Mar-30-15  SpiritedReposte: I believe in the final position ...Kf8 (...Kg8 Qg7 mates straight away) Bg7+ Kg8 Bh6 ends resistance as the black queen is hopelessly out of play, along with the knight and rook.

What a game.

Oct-10-15  The Kings Domain: Nice to see genuine "Immortals" being played in the late 20th-Century.

The only question is why did a master like Sax allow himself to fall for it. Probably had an off-day.

Dec-02-15  bcokugras: The first Turkish GM - Long live Suat !
Dec-02-15  erdogankilic: In this game no other move fascinates me more:16.Kg3!! Like a fear film:you can hear the sound of steps of the murderer,but nothing to do....
Dec-02-15  mikrohaus: I don't think Sax went off the rails w/ 4...d4 (Botwinnik's way), but it doesn't fit Sax's style. When Sax's KP or QP comes into play normally with Black, you can be sure you will die soon or all White advantage will have evaporated.

Move 4 cannot possibly be right for Sax, because he keeps stuff like that in reserve.

I guess there is a psychological aspect to chess, but being true to yourself can never be bad.

Therefore, 4...d4 gets at least 1 "?" for Sax, because he doesn't play it like Botvinnik's intentions (but plays Sax-style) and gets duly punched in the face.

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  thegoodanarchist: Great game!
Dec-02-15  wierba: 16. Kg3.. Qd2. 17 Bxa1 Qc1
Dec-02-15  kyg16: The mating net is a good exception for the "three pieces minimum" principle
Dec-02-15  Ferro: 16. Kg3, b5 17. Qxa8, Nc2
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  kevin86: I really love white's strange castling position with the king in front of the pawns. None of black's business is there- it is on the last rank, where the king has bugged out from...and has become a trap for the black forces.
Dec-02-15  Limpin Kt: oh!
nice attack but it ran out
Dec-02-15  Howard: This game actually has something unique in common with Karpov-Timman, Montreal 1979, the 10th game of Kasparov-Anand 1995, Psakhis-Geller 1982 (won by the latter), and at least a couple other games.

Anyone want to venture a guess ?

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  Sally Simpson: Was it winning best game and best TN at the same time in their respective Informators.
Dec-02-15  Howard: Aaaaargh ! Betcha Googled it, didn't you ?

You're correct!

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  Sally Simpson: HI Howard,

No Google - a wee bit of sleuthing amongst my library.

At first I thought Korchnoi because the Kasparov - Anand game was a TN from the 1978 K v K match. And Karpov's drubbing of Timman was an unused TN from the same match.

The Geller win, also home prep had me thinking as Geller was on Karpov's team in '74 was he still there in '78 was this another unexploded bomb prepared for the hapless Korchnoi.

I looked at the notes in 'Chess Theory', Geller's book but got no clues there.

I knew this game and Karpov's won best game in Informator.

I have 'Chess Brilliancy' by Damsky.

It gives all the voted best games from Informater from Vol 4 1967 when they started judging best game. (the first one is Fischer - Stein, Sousse 1967 - Hmmmm...I thought all of Fischer's were expunged from that event, never mind) till 1998.

Page 181 is this game. Damsky states/claims the whole game including 22.Bf7!! was home prep. It also mentioned this was a double winner.

So I went for double prize winners in the Informator.

Dec-02-15  RandomVisitor: Does white get any advantage from 9.f3!? Qh4+ 10.g3 Nxg3 11.Qf2 Nf5 12.cxd5 Na5 13.Rb1 Nb3 14.Qxh4 Nxh4 15.Bc4 Nxc1 16.dxe5 Ng6 17.Rxc1 Nxe5 18.f4 Nxc4 19.Rxc4

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  Jim Bartle: The pun refers to comments about movies.
Dec-02-15  newhampshireboy: Great game! Black was finished when Her Majesty took white's rook. She became worthless back there.
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