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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 7
Italian Game: Classical. Closed Variation (C53)  ·  1-0


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Apr-23-05  schnarre: I recall coming across a game that began 1. d4 f5 2. Bg5...a reply I've rarely seen to the Dutch. I think I have it in my collection (yet to be fully unpacked). Has anyone else come across it or games like it?
Apr-23-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> Hmmm the bird opening if i'm not mistaken...I dont like it as i think it makes your kingside a bit vulnerable...on the other hand my friends swears by it, and he wins many more games than me, but we can't all have that magical touch now can we...:)
Apr-24-05  schnarre: <Rocafella> Practice helps a lot, but ultimately whatever fits your style of play should decide the issue (1. e4 regularly fails me unless my opponent plays a French Defense, whilst 1. a3 has given me some of my best games). As far as the afore-mentioned line vs the Dutch: 'British Chess', by Kenneth Matthews (pg. 16) gives it as follows (transcribed from Descriptive to Algebraic)... 1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bf4 g5 4. Bg3 f4 5. e3 h5 6. Bd3 Rh6 7. Qxh5+ Rxh5 8. Bg6# ...gotta love the classics!
Apr-24-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> Yes I suppose so, I am very fond of 1.d4 but that is just me. I'm not sure about 1.e4, it all seems very basic to me. On the other hand, if Im playing black then i just wait to see what my opponent plays and then I compromise my opening
Apr-24-05  schnarre: <Rocafella> Have you tried the Torre attack by any chance?
Apr-24-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> Torre attack .. hmm it doesn't ring a bell, I probably have but just never knew the name for it :)
Apr-24-05  schnarre: <Rocafella> 1. d4, 2. Nf3, 3. Bg5 with these moves to follow e3, Bd3, c3 & Nbd2 (though not necessarily in that order). Tenacious in attack, solid in defense, Flexible yet forgiving! I usually recommend it for new players.
Apr-24-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> Ahh yes it's quite a nice opening.. I have used this before but Bf4 instead of Bg5
Apr-24-05  schnarre: <Rocafella> Sounds to me like your foundation with the White pieces is firmly established!
Apr-24-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> Thanks :) My openings are usually quite firm but its my middle games that fails me a lot.. My end game is usually ok as well
Apr-24-05  schnarre: <Rocafella> Same as me! I tend toward the offbeat, irregular & rarely-trodden more so than most players, however.
Apr-24-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> Like you say, different people like different things... So What about you? Where are you from? How old are you? etc
Apr-24-05  schnarre: <Rocafella> 31 years of age; from the southeastern US (not much besides Paul Morphy to brag about) though 50% of my family is Canadian (most still reside there--I try to make it up there every chance I can); pursuing an English-History double major with 4 minors alongside (Anthropology, Political Science, Philosophy & Religion); & likely too stubborn for my own good!
Apr-25-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> :) Yes but he was a great chess player...By the way good luck on your English-History double major
Apr-25-05  schnarre: <Rocafella> Thanks! I've been trudging along since the Fall of 1991 trying to make some headway despite everything thrown against me. If all goes well I could be finally finished in about 2 years (if I had anything remotely like Morphy's IQ I could have been finished years ago).
Apr-26-05  Rocafella: <schnarre> keep going and you will get it!
Apr-26-05  schnarre: Thanks!
Dec-01-05  Chopin: The e5 pawn, gives the lethal blow.
Jan-12-06  schnarre: <Chopin> That's one way to put it!
Sep-27-07  wolfmaster: <Chopin> You mean the d5 pawn, right?
Oct-22-09  Wayne Proudlove: Black's better seventh move would be his Knight to f6 rather than the pawn.
Oct-22-09  jackmandoo: One of the deepest sacrifices this side of the Evergreen Game.

I just made that annotation up, there's no way someone could dispute that.

Oct-22-09  MaxxLange: charming and instructive. sacrifice a piece to destroy Black's light squared pawns, preparing the blow Qh5+. Fine, a lot of us can see that stuff in blitz. But 12 Be6+!! is the 'real deal', just beautiful
Jun-29-17  Christoforus Polacco: Greco - a beautiful mind.
Sep-29-17  sneaky pete: Was Greco a thief? See Busnardo vs NN, 1590
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