|Nov-20-04|| ||Jaymthegenius: Wheres the win for black!!!!! I personally think Greco LOST this game! There is no win for black!!! |
|Nov-20-04|| ||crafty: 16. ♕d3 d6 17. exd6 ♗xd6 18. ♘g5 g6 (eval -3.56; depth 13 ply; 500M nodes)|
|Dec-22-04|| ||Jaymthegenius: Wow! I never even saw that! It would appear as if white was better, as his pieces are better developed, and has a queen vs. good rook and bad rook |
|Jan-27-05|| ||mirunik: why ?????? |
|Jan-28-05|| ||Jaymthegenius: White has development with queen, black lacks development without a queen. Especially since 16.Bxf7+,Kf8 17.Bxe8 |
|Jan-28-05|| ||Jaymthegenius: Oh, ...Nxf7, almost forgot. |
|Jan-28-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: <Jaymethegenius> Black has two rooks to whites queen and both have 3 minor
pieces. However one huge difference is that black is up 3 pawns!
Not to mention there are no positional weaknesses for black.
White has no attack. |
|Jun-12-10|| ||tpstar: Love is a stranger in an open car (1. e4 e5), to tempt you in and drive you far away (2. Nf3 Nc6)/Ooh love is a stranger in an open car (3. Bc4 Bc5), to tempt you in and drive you far away (4. 0-0 Nf6)/And I want you [last book move], and I want you (5. Re1 0-0)/And I want you so (6. c3), it's an obsession [6. Nc3 d6 =]/And I want you (6 ... Re8), and I want you [6 ... Nxe4!? 7. d4 exd4 8. cxd4 Bb4 9. Rxe4 d5 ]/And I want you so (7. d4 exd4), it's an obsession (8. e5)/Love is a danger of a different kind [8. cxd4 d5 9. dxc5 dxc4 10. Qxd8 Rxd8 ], take you away and leave you far behind (8 ... Ng4)/And love love love is a dangerous drug (9. Bg5), you have to receive it [9. cxd4 Nxd4 10. Bg5 Nxf2 11. Qxd4 Nh3+ 12. Kh1 Bxd4 13. Bxd8 Nf2+ 14. Kg1 Nh3+ 15. Kf1 Bxb2 16. Bxc7 d5 17. exd6 Rxe1+ 18. Nxe1 Bxa1 19. gxh3 Bxh3+ 20. Kf2 Bd7 ] and you still can't get enough of the stuff (9 ... Nxf2)/It's savage and it's cruel and it shines like destruction (10. Qb3)/Comes in like the flood and it seems like religion [10. Bxf7+ Kh8 11. Kxf2 dxc3+ 12. Kg3 cxb2 13. Bxd8 bxa1=Q 14. Bxe8 Qxa2 ]/It's noble and it's brutal (10 ... dxc3), it distorts and deranges (11. Bxd8 cxb2)/And it wrenches you up (12. Nc3) and you're left like a zombie [12. Bxf7+ Kh8 13. Nc3 Nd1+ 14. Kh1 bxa1=Q 15. Rxd1 Qxd1+ 16. Qxd1 Rxd8 17. Nd5 ]/And I want you (12 ... Nd1+), and I want you (13. Kf1)/And I want you so [13. Kh1 bxa1=Q 14. Bxf7+ Kh8 15. Rxd1 Qxd1+ 16. Qxd1 Rxd8 ], it's an obsession (13 ... bxa1=Q)/It's guilt-edged glamourous and sleek by design (14. Rxd1)/You know it's jealous by nature [14. Bxf7+!? Kh8 15. Rxd1 Qxd1+ 16. Qxd1 Rxd8 17. Nd5 ], false and unkind (14 ... Qxd1+) [ ]/It's hard and restrained and it's totally cool (15. Nxd1 Nxd8)/It touches and it teases as you stumble in the debris (0-1) - Eurythmics + Fritz 7, "Love Is a Stranger"|
Greco was amazing, and way ahead of his time. I'll bet his wealthy patrons were blown away by this Queen sacrifice idea, although White had Bxf7+ at several opportunities. If only they had 24-ply linear analysis back in the day. ;>D
The same player was probably White for NN vs Greco, 1620 which continued 10. Bxd8 Nxd1 11. Rxd1 dxc3+ and Black won another miniature.
|Jun-05-14|| ||rossvassilev: 16.Bxf7+ Kf8 17.Bxe8 Kxe8 18.Qg8+. Then White just has to bring one or both Knights over and it seems an easy mate for NN to me.|
|Jul-06-14|| ||Penguincw: < rossvassilev: 16.Bxf7+ Kf8 17.Bxe8 Kxe8 18.Qg8+... >|
There's 16...Nxf7. If something like 17.Ng5 were to occur, 17...Re7 or 17...Rf8 followed by 18...h6 seem good to me.