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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game 1620  ·  French Defense: Mediterranean Defense (C00)  ·  1-0
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Nov-01-10  Stormbringer: Yet again I fail, but learn something instructive in the process. I saw the first two moves, but I consider them nothing special. It is the pawn moves that impress me. By getting the pawn off the h file the queen and rook form a devastating combo (and not without some additional help from that same pawn).

Saccing the minor piece to activate the rook - inspired.

Nov-01-10
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  patzer2: Today's Monday puzzle is a little diversion from our usual easy start to the week, but for the regulars here I suspect the demolition attack 7. Bxh7+!, yielding a decisive assault on Black's weakened Kingside castled position, wasn't too difficult to find.
Nov-01-10  Brandon plays: It isn't called the greek gift for nothing. I think that's what we are doing anyway. Bxh7 Kxh7 Ng5+ Bxg5 hxg5+ Kg8 Qh5 with checkmate to follow. I guess Kg6 is another possibility, but it just seems to be a matter of time before that loses.
Nov-01-10
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  Once: My friends, what we have in front of us is quite a remarkable thing. This is not a game, it is chess history.

Let's deal with the "not a game" thing first. There is a strong possibility that this was never actually played, but was composed to show the mating tactic. That is probably why NN played so poorly - not challenging white at all, castling into the attack, allowing his Nf6 to be kicked out of the way, grabbing the Ng5 (which in turn opened the h file).

No, this is almost certainly a composed game, carefully devised to show the greek gift mate in a short game.

The date we have for the "game" is 1620. That's not twenty past four in the afternoon and time for tea. It's 390 years ago - men wearing tights, Shakespeare has just died and the Pilgrims are setting out from Plymouth. And everybody is saying things things like "verily", "forsooth" and "prythee" instead of "like", "cool" and "djaknowwhatImean?". And the nearest thing we have to an ipad is a well-trained messenger pigeon.

Greco was quite possibly the first ever chess professional. So how do you earn a living at chess before tournaments were invented? You need to exploit the age old concept of supply and demand. Even back in 1620, you had people with disposable money who wanted to play better chess. And Greco was the opposite - someone without money who could play ... quite a bit actually.

So Greco looked for sponsors - the Nike and Coke of his day. And no doubt his sponsors came from wealthy landowners, merchants and nobility. To repay his sponsors he would make guest appearances, play matches, give lessons and hand out these little handwritten "games" to amuse, educate and keep the gold coming in.

So when we see today's puzzle, we shouldn't just yawn and say "uh, uh, another greek gift". This was quite possibly the first ever greek gift, played by the eponymous Greek, a middle-ages Hello magazine spread, a television commercial celebrity endorsement (long before television was invented). It's just a man earning his living, feeding his family, paying the mortgage ... a blue collar Joe wearing doublet and hose instead of jeans and T shirt.

Then I take a look at the bookshelf behind me ... around 200 chess books all written by better chess players than me, all promising to make me a better player, and each one doing exactly what Greco was - making a living in this world.

I sometimes envisage chess as a massive and mythical pyramid made of human bodies. At the bottom are us humble kibitzers, buying the books, reading the websites, paying entrance fees, pushing wood. And standing on top of us are the professionals, making a living out of the fact that we want to improve. And higher still we have the elite and standing right on top is the world champion.

And if you can hold that image in your mind, Greco was quite possibly the first chess player to climb onto someone else's shoulders.

And the game you have in front of you is how he did it.

Nov-01-10  stacase: OUCH!
Nov-01-10  fyad reject: stared at this for ten minutes. the key thing i missed was that 8. Ng5+ opens the d1-h5 diagonal for the white queen to continue the attack. it also probably would have taken me quite a long time to realize that 9. hxg5+ was necessary to open the h file and involve the rook before Qh5. i found this to be quite a difficult puzzle. then again im terrible, what do i know
Nov-01-10  redmaninaustin: nice post <once>... a good read
Nov-01-10  gofer: Well I think I can see an elaborate knight trap, but I am imagining things. So lets go for the obvious...

7 Bxh7+ ...

Black cannot accept

7 ... Kxh7 8 Ng5+ ...
8 ... Kg8 9 Qh5 Bxg5 10 hxg5 f6/f5 11 g6 mating
8 ... Kg6 9 h5+ Kh6 10 Nxf7+ Kh7 11 Qd3+ Kg8 12 Nxd8 Nxd8 13 h6 winning 8 ... Bxg5 9 hxg5+ Kg6 10 Qh4+ Kf5 (Kg8 Qh5 f6/f5 g6 mating) 11 Qh7+ g6 (Kg4 h3#) 12 Qh3+ Ke4 13 Qd3#

But the refusal isn't good either, but its way too complicated for a Monday! So I suppose we are meant to ignore it?!

Nov-01-10  TrollKing: <Boomie: 7...Kh8 is the interesting line which contains an incredible shot.

Here it comes...wait for it...14. Rxd7!!

There aren't enough exclams available to praise this move.>

Wow!! What a shot!

Nov-01-10  eblunt: After 7 ... Kxh7 8. Ng5+ Kg8 9. Qh5 Black can toss in the Bishop check 9 ... Bb4+ 10. c3 Bxc3+ 11. NxB giving the piece back but making an escape hole for himself on e7. It's still losing, but that's possibly a better defence line since it throws a few more complications in for white and makes it a 11 move mating sequence with at least a few points at which white could get it wrong
Nov-01-10  Katu: Bxf7+ I can't tell how many time my opponents fall for this trick in blitz and bullet. But at least 2 of 5 White games of me ends like this way.
Nov-01-10
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  DarthStapler: Got it
Nov-01-10
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  amadeus: Greco :)
Nov-01-10  smitha1: <11 move mating sequence>? Monday?
Nov-01-10  goodevans: 11 half-moves, actually, but still more difficult than the average Monday. No complaints from me though. Nice to be made to think a bit so early in the week.
Nov-01-10  desiobu: Classic Bxh7+ attack.
Nov-01-10
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  Patriot: This goes a bit beyond Monday because of the many variations involved, even though the concept is simple and it is a classic bishop sacrifice. I think the one line I did not consider was 7...Kh6.

<<fyad reject>: stared at this for ten minutes. the key thing i missed was that 8. Ng5+ opens the d1-h5 diagonal for the white queen to continue the attack. it also probably would have taken me quite a long time to realize that 9. hxg5+ was necessary to open the h file and involve the rook before Qh5. i found this to be quite a difficult puzzle. then again im terrible, what do i know>

You are showing improvement which is a good thing. When you first started on this site you wouldn't have seen the first two moves at all. So don't beat yourself up on this because it's not a normal Monday problem.

Nov-01-10  StevieB: Hey, I had to think on this one. No fair for Monday-Monday.
Nov-01-10
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  whiteshark: 7.Bxh7+ was obvious. To calculate 7...Kh8 however was more Wednesdayish or something like that.
Nov-01-10  miseiler: <Boomie: 7...Kh8 is the interesting line which contains an incredible shot.

Here it comes...wait for it...14. Rxd7!!>

This would make a good Friday problem. I looked at the position after Kf5 for quite a while and didn't see it.

Nov-01-10  Waitaka: <Once> Again, your post is a classic.

Whenever you publish a chess book, please let me know. :)

Nov-01-10
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  kevin86: An easy,if not typically Monday puzzle. The main idea is to get queen and rook on the h-file.

A great early classic....Mayflower-era chess at its finest.

Nov-01-10
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  Patriot: <<Waitaka>: <Once> Again, your post is a classic. Whenever you publish a chess book, please let me know. :)>

I'll second that! I would definitely buy the book. <Once>... And maybe you can include a special thanks to your fans on this site. ;-)

Nov-01-10
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  whiteshark: According to suishi knife statistics, Monday is the favoured day for self-destruction. Do you see any coincidence here?
Nov-01-10  kurtrichards: Did NN use his brain in this game?
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