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Emil Joseph Diemer vs Schuppler
"Look Who's Coming for Schuppler" (game of the day Dec-13-08)
Villingen [KTp [D 1937  ·  Blackmar-Diemer Gambit: Ryder Gambit (D00)  ·  1-0
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Oct-13-04  Tartalacreme: The Ryder gambit (5.Qxf3) is tricky but unsound. White should keep his central pawn and develop the knight with 5.Nxf3.
May-28-05  Dick Brain: This is completely unsound play. On 10...c6 white is down 3 pawns and in trouble on b2, g2, and b5.
Nov-01-05  DeepBlade: Emil Joseph Diemer is someone to pay respect for. This BDG game is Rook-based, Emil Diemer was an Rook player I guess. The Ryder gambit is a nice gambit, and after an 0-0-0 Black is game over, Rook power overwhelming.
Aug-11-06  Chess Lou Zer: And what about this miraculous puzzle? What are the best moves after 20...Bd7? Can you solve the puzzle?
Nov-25-06  Rubenus: See tldr3's game collection.
Feb-15-07  Rubenus: But I completely agree with Dick Brain. See http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_b... for the refutation of the BDG.
Dec-13-08  newzild: 21.Be7 is the tricky move here. Nice attack!
Dec-13-08
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  whiteshark: "The Blackmar-Diemer has to be treated with respect. If you play carelessly or without respect the open lines and quick development that White gets for his pawn will cut you to pieces. But don't be AFRAID or OVERCAUTIOUS because that is where you will fall down. Take the pawn, develop coherently and look for the counterattacking opportunity that will surely come."

-- Andrew Martin

Dec-13-08  Alphastar: <Tartalacreme> the 5. Nxf3 line is unsound too.
Dec-13-08
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  whiteshark: It's game no.3 in Diemer's book <Das moderne Blackmar-Diemer Gambit> He wrote he played 5.Qxf3 here for the 1st time (in a tournament game).

<KTp> is still cryptic.

Dec-13-08
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  whiteshark: <Dick Brain> You are right, after 10...c6 white is lost.
Dec-13-08  WhiteRook48: Did Diemer take Scuppler out for dinner?
Dec-13-08  Poisonpawns: The pun should be: The Last Schuppler
Dec-13-08
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  al wazir: What's wrong with 22...Bxg4 ? If 23. hxg4, then 23...Nf6. If 23. Rxf7, then 23...Qxf7 24. hxg4 Qxb3 25. axb3 Nf6 26. Qxe5, and black has R+R+P vs. Q.
Dec-13-08
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  whiteshark: <al wazir: What's wrong with 22...Bxg4 ?> Nothing, it's the last chance to rescue the game. After <22...Bxg4 23.Rxf7 Qxf7 24.Bxf7+ Rxf7 25.Qd8+ Rf8 26.Qd5+ Be6 27.Qxa8>


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unbalanced material is Q vs RBPP. <unclear>

Dec-13-08  njchess: A nasty gambit, by it's chief practitioner. Nicely played.
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: I thought that 1. d4 d5 2. e4 was the Staunton Gambit. Have to revise this opening in my head...
Jan-29-09  WhiteRook48: Schuppler must have not wanted to come over to the White House ton Diemer (dine). Might've made a better pun
May-27-09
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  PaulLovric: this should be in the may pun revisit series
Sep-20-09  birthtimes: 22...Bxg4 23. Bxf7+ Qxf7 24. Rxf7 Rxf7 25. Qd8+ Rf8 26. Qd5+ Be6 27. Qxe6+! Kh8 28. Ne4! continues the White attack! For example, 28...g6 29. N2g3 Ng7 30. Qd5 c6 31. Qd6 Re8 32. Nf6 Rc8 33. Qe7 and White's attack looks unstoppable...
Jan-05-10
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  shakespeare: at move 5 nxf3 o.k. but taking with the queen???
In this game Rybka gives black at move 10 almost 4 points + - definitively a decicive advantage if played correctly

10. ... c6 much better
15. ... 0-0 automatic castling into an attack???
22. Qd6 ??? leading directly to forced mate

many of Shupplers moves are only chasing Diemer around to better positions missing every opportunity for counterplay after 10. Bb5+

I love the BDG but in my experience you can expect a hard time with your missing central paw against someone who is not shocked by this opening and is a good defender :-)

Jun-03-10
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  shakespeare: Its very interesting to analyse the BDG with Rybka - surely - it does not lieke the lines of this gambit - but the longer it analyzes - the less worse the evaluation! Of course the lines with 5 Qxf3 is a little bit too "dynamic" - 5.Nxf3 seems much more solid - the double sac may be good as shocker against below 1800 players if you have excellent attacking abilities :-)
Aug-10-10  pierocampilii: amazing! that bishop was left there on 13th move!!!
Oct-23-12  Corry: Crazy endgame...
Jan-22-13  Vatnos: BDG has held up pretty well to computer analysis. Ryder, of course, is unsound but can be a useful tool for blitz.

Computers have shown that Black can hope for a draw at best from perfect play for many of the defenses that were considered 'refutations'. The Gunderam defense seems to offer Black the best chances at defending and simultaneously converting the pawn into a long-term advantage. Some lines in the Gunderum give black a winning edge, but careful play is still needed afterwards.

Still, White has to play carefully to prove compensation for the pawn from many lines, and even if the Euwe and Bogoljubow defenses are perfectly sound for White, they can be just as tough for White OTB as Black if not moreso.

I think as long as BDG players keep looking for new innovations and maintaining the opening, it has a chance at gaining more acceptance, like the King's Gambit.

Of all the suspect opening gambits, this one seems to have the most potential to me. It looks really good on paper... White's bishops and knights are all activated and Black has nothing to show but an empty square on the d-file and a knight. White castles queensided early on and has a central wedge on the d-file with his rook.

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