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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 35
Bird Opening: From Gambit (A02)  ·  1-0
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Jun-09-05  Jaymthetactician: Black may have a chance with 4...d5 5.d3,Qg6 6.Nc3,Nxd5
Jun-09-05
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  InspiredByMorphy: <jaym> 4. ...d5 5.Nc3 Qc4 6.e4 looks bad for black. Being already down a pawn, I dont see what good running the queen around and losing another pawn is.
Jun-11-05  Jaymthetactician: Well it's better then the game anyway's, in the game it's white clearly winning, but although in my continuation white has a clear advantage (but need's technique to pull of the win), and better then the game.
Jun-11-05  Jaymthetactician: I like 1...c5 vs. the From, as 2.e4,e6 3.Nf3,d5 4.exd5,exd5 or 4.e5,Nc6

and also 1.f4,c5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.g3/e3/Nc3 any

Jun-13-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> You and your defensive lines. Transposing into the sicilian defense is perfectly playable, but against 1.f4 the from gambit offers an ATTACKING game for black.
Jun-13-05
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  InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> Where can we play? I am itching to play you. We can even post whatever games we play. I want to see how well you can "refute" the kings gambit.
Jun-14-05  Jaymthetactician: <InspiredByMorphy> I normally play on www.chess.ac For correspondance games, it is better to play me there as I am not alway's on this net. I normally respond 1...c5 2...Nf6 and sometimes 1...b6 or 1...a6 to 1.e4 (but mostly 1...c5), but I can try this 1...e5 line.

Also, I have played the from in the past with some success, but I don't like the idea of being down a pawn, as black will be at a disadvantage in an endgame.

Jun-14-05  Jaymthetactician: I am also Jaymthegenius there.
Jun-14-05
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  WannaBe: <InspiredByMorphy> Be sure to let us know the result! Go Morphy!
Jun-14-05
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  TheAlchemist: <InspiredByMorphy> Make us proud! :-)
Jun-16-05  Jaymthetactician: IBM would have the advantage due to it being an open game, but I would be a pawn up, then again I tend to castle late (I pick openings in which it is acceptable) due to the event that if many pieces are traded off, my king is closer to the center, and castling early tend's to give the opponent ideas and plans on how to successfully attack the king who not having enough breathing room in the corner can be attacked (there is a cd called attack against 0-0, so if I have an opponent who has this cd and I castle early, let's say I rather exchange something first.)

I will try to go for queenside castling in the IBM game, as is safer there.

Jun-16-05
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  InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> Are there any other websites you play on? Im having trouble with the link they send with the confirmation email.
Jun-18-05  Jaymthetactician: Queenalice.com as Philidor, I post from the library, and chess.ac on one terminal has horribly pixelated coloring of the pieces (so I cant tell who's pieces are who's at times) So maybe queenalice.com would be better, I find it interesting that my queenalice rating after 4 games is Provisional 1830, while on Chess.ac it is 1730, after many more games (they start you at 1500 there, so is innacuracy compared to the provisional system used by USCF and Queenalice)

Also beware: I have many opponents there who should have resigned along time ago (I am up two rook's in one game, and up a queen in the other, my most even game is against a 1950, and that's my tournament game.)

Jun-18-05  hintza: I have full confidence in our <InspiredByMorphy>, I am sure he will not let us down. :-)
Jun-20-05  Jaymthetactician: IBM look's like you've got some fan's! Well it really isnt a matter of win or lose but if one is enjoying oneself.
Jun-20-05
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  InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> True. The reason I want to play you is not for bragging rights if I win, but to see our opposite styles collide. I assume we have an agreement that we can post the games. I am now registered at queenalice.com . For sake of recognition my screen name will be the same. I dont know when your on but I can play on weeknights and weekends. Give me an idea of how often you go on, or a night/time you'll be on.
Jun-21-05  Jaymthetactician: I am on every mourning, I don't normally play symmetrical kingpawn but for king gambit sake I shall. It is correspondance, so 10 day's a move shall be suffecient enough to not run out of time. How about one black one white? Check out my game against a 1900 in which he sacrificed a pawn for an open e-file and to get rid of my powerful dark bishop on the long diagonal.
Jun-28-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  InspiredByMorphy: <10 day's a move> Are you serious? If you want to play a regular time limit game, Ill look for you on the weekends in the morning.
Jun-28-05  schnarre: Let the games begin! Good luck to you both!
Oct-23-05  DeepBlade: Let me get this game straight,

White's Moves
6 pawn moves
3 Knight moves
1 Bishop move

Black's Moves
7 Queen moves
1 pawn move
1 Knight move

This game shows how painfull it is to develop the Queen WAY too early. When playing against Greco, you'll never know if he's after your Queen of after a quickmate.

Sep-25-07  wolfmaster: I know this post is 2years after your game with Jaym, InspiredbyMorphy, but has it finished yet? About 850 days have elapsed,so that's 85 moves total, or 42 by each side.
Sep-25-07
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  InspiredByMorphy: <wolfmaster> LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
Aug-10-08  just a kid: I'm surprised greco didn't play 2.e4 transforming it into a king's gambit.The queen was a workhorse for NN.That's not a good thing though.
Sep-19-09  WhiteRook48: or to post all that much
Aug-24-10  eightbyeight: <Deepblade> Although such a sum of moves such as those you posted can work for the poorer-developed side. I just played this game online:

raggedbishop-surreyite (my other online handle), Internet 2010.

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. Ne5 Qh4+ 6. Kf1 f3 7. Bxf7+ Ke7 8. Bc4 fxg2+ 9. Kxg2 Qh3+ 10. Kg1 d6 11. Nf7 Bg7 12. Nxh8?? Bd4# 0-1

White's Moves:

2 pawn moves, 4 knight moves, 3 bishop moves, 3 king moves

Black's Moves:

7 pawn moves, 2 bishop moves, 2 queen moves, 1 king move

White's moves seem like a sensible developing set when looked at numerically, but black looks like an amateur who loves moving pawns. (And no, that's not what I am.)

It just goes to show that chess has no absolute rules. Sometimes development may be neglected in exchange for a bigger prize.

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