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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 43
Bishop's Opening: Lopez Variation (C23)  ·  1-0


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  InspiredByMorphy: 12. ...d6 would have freed blacks bishop giving a better game than 12. ...c6 did. Nice queen trap by Greco. That knight bobbed and weaved.
Feb-08-05  Backward Development: If i was on the black side, I probably would have been wondering, "hmm...where's that knight going?" then, tada!
Aug-14-05  SEMENELIN: NN should have realized that he/she had a bad opening for the queen. I think this rule apply to all pieces. For example a knight or a bishop or a torre.
Aug-14-05  sharpnova: is a torre means tower.. by which you really mean rook?
Aug-15-05  SEMENELIN: <sharpnova> korekek!!!
Aug-15-05  IT4LICO: "Torre" is the italian word for "rook"...
Aug-15-05  Achilles: this was really bad I seen many old games compared to the modern games more accurate precisely!!!
Oct-20-05  DeepBlade: Well black has many ''holes'' in its pawn structure, and its basic to move the Knight to pawnholes. But it takes a lot of brain to figure out a Knight tour to f5, especially with the beginner rule; don't move the same piece all the time.

If you look at the position after the 14th move, Black's position makes me cry, 2 Knights on the rim, a bad Bishop, the Rook on f8 sleeping, and a cornered King. Im not talking about its pawn structure because its a disaster. The center is dominated by White, and Black tries a hopeless attack. Greco finishes with a funny Knight tour, and the Queen has no place to go.

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  al wazir: It's hard to believe this wasn't a composed game. As late as move 14 black had winning chances: 14...Ng3! If 15. hxg3 then 15...fxg3, with mate or loss of the ♕ (the *white* ♕!) to follow.
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  al wazir: To elaborate on my previous comment: After 14...Ng3 15. hxg3 (if 15. Nxf7+ then 15...Kg7, postponing the inevitable) fxg3 16. Qh5 Qxh5 is the only way white can avoid mate. If white moves his ♕ rather than taking the ♘, e.g. 15. Qf3, then 15...Nxf1, and black is an exchange up.
Jun-30-06  Cyphelium: <al wazir> I think white gets good compensation for the exchange after 14.- ♘g3 15. ♕e1 ♘xf1 16. ♕xh4 gxh4 17. ♗xf4.
Apr-20-17  Yigor: It's similar to 2 previous #26-27 games/compositions. Here NN makes an other inaccuracy 5...Nf6?! The immediate 6. e5! seems to be better than 6. d4 chosen by Greco.
Nov-08-18  ForteX8: Ng3 15. Qf3 and white's threatening Nf5 and hxg3 fxg3 Qf6+ Kg8 Bxf7+
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