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Leif Erlend Johannessen vs Viesturs Meijers
"That's Leif" (game of the day Dec-21-2007)
Excelsior Cup (2004), rd 4, Jan-11
Russian Game: Classical Attack. Staunton Variation (C42)  ·  1-0


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Dec-21-07  Justawoodpusher: I preferred this as a puzzle today for me because I finally found the way for white to win wheras in the real Friday puzzle I did not succeed.
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  kevin86: Black is given a terrible choice:either leave the queen on the long diagonal and lose it or move it and lose the king! White moves the pawn to e7 not to queen, but to prevent the counter of Rf8 in reply to an immediate Bg5.
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  Jimfromprovidence: Doesn't 21...Rfc8 (not Rfe8) stop white in his tracks?
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  al wazir: <xrt999>: Petrov's Defense = Russian Game, just as Ruy Lopez = Spanish Game. (Whoever Petrov was, he must have been Russian.)
Dec-21-07  Chess Addict: What's wrong with 10. BxN?
Dec-21-07  D4n: Black had a good start, but didn't last...
Dec-21-07  Shams: <Doesn't 21...Rfc8 (not Rfe8) stop white in his tracks?> 22.♕d6 Δ ♕d7 looks like curtains
Dec-21-07  Shams: <What's wrong with 10. BxN?>

10...♘b4 11.♕e2 dxe4 and the pawn is immune; e.g. 12.♕xe4 ♖e8 and black's knight gets to c2

Dec-21-07  zb2cr: <al wazir>,

You wrote: "Whoever Petrov was, he must have been Russian."

Indeed. Alexander Petroff was born in 1794 and was the first strong Russian player. However, he did not do a lot of international competition. He wrote one book, in which he condemned the defense that later bore his name. He might have been forgotten except for Carl Jaenisch, another Russian, who sang Petroff's praises and was a strong early exponent of Petroff's defense.

As to when Petroff's defense became "the Russian Game", I don't know; perhaps about the same time the "center counter defense" became "Scandinavian defense"?

Dec-21-07  xrt999: This is the first time I have ever seen 1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nf6 called the Russian game. Lets just leave it as Petroff or Petrov defense.

I despise this opening as black; even as white I want to throw up when someone plays it against me.

Dec-21-07  Shams: I think 1.e4 d5 is only called the "Center Counter Defense" in America, but I could be wrong. I prefer "Scandinavian Defense".

And I prefer "Spanish" to "Ruy Lopez" because I've never felt confident about prouncing "Ruy".

Dec-21-07  zb2cr: Hi <Shams>,

Variant names are common in different nations. For example, "Pirc Defense" vs. "Robatsch Defense" vs. "Ufimtsev Defense".

As to pronouncing "Ruy": LOL!

Hi <xrt999>,

I guess, in kindness, I'll make a point of never playing against you. The Petroff is my favorite defense against 1. e4 and has been for most of my chess-playing days.

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  Jimfromprovidence: <Shams> <22.Qd6 with the idea of Qd7 looks like curtains.>

22... Qe5 stops it, right?

Dec-21-07  Shams: <22... Qe5 stops it, right?> not unless I'm missing something obvious:

21...♖ae8 22. ♕d6 ♕e5 23.♕d7 f6 24.♗xf8 ♖xf8 25.e7

all ...♕e5 does is chase the white queen where it wants to go. ♗ut even on 22...f6 white can take on f8 and win the same way.


Dec-21-07  zb2cr: <Jimfromprovidence>,

You postulated that in the variation 21. ... Rfc8; 22.Qd6, Qe5 was a sufficient defense to the threat of Qd7.

Please, for us patzers, be more specific.
Are you thinking that your move makes possible the defense 23. ... Rc7 if White moves 23. Qd7?

Dec-21-07  Shams: ok I am smoking <crack> Somehow I read 21...Rae8. sorry guys
Dec-21-07  Shams: <zb2cr><Are you thinking that your move makes possible the defense 23. ... Rc7 if White moves 23. Qd7?>

yes, that looks like a clever idea.

Can white win the endgame after 21...♖fc8 22.♕d6 ♕e5 23. ♕xe5 fxe5 24.♖xa1 ♖e8 (else e7 and ♗f8) 25.cxd5 cxd5 26. ♖b1 b6 27.♖b5 ♖xe6 28. ♖xd5<?> He has three good pieces but no passers on the horizon. Nice find, <JimfromProvidence>

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  Jimfromprovidence: <zb2cr> <You postulated that in the variation 21. ... Rfc8; 22.Qd6, Qe5 was a sufficient defense to the threat of Qd7. Please, for us patzers, be more specific.

Are you thinking that your move makes possible the defense 23. ... Rc7 if White moves 23. Qd7?>

My initial post was to only offer an answer for the killer move 22 Qc7. I asked if 21…Rfc8 stopped it. That was the extent of my analysis. I hadn’t thought any farther along.

Then <Shams> said in response that white would play 22 Qd6 with the idea of Qd7. so I said 22…Qe5 should stop that (by hopefully forcing the exchange of queens and letting black capture white’s e pawn.)

In response to your inquiry to what happens if white plays 23 Qd7 I think black should play 23… Qc7 (again forcing the queen exchange).

23… Rc7 looks like it traps the queen but in fact should lose a piece for black because white has 24 f4! (There are several variations off of this line but they lead to black losing a piece, I believe.)

Dec-21-07  Shams: maybe 21...♖fc8 22.e7 Δ ♗f8
Dec-21-07  Chess Addict: <10...Nb4 11.Qe2 dxe4 and the pawn is immune; e.g. 12.Qxe4 Re8 and black's knight gets to c2>

Thank you. I did not see 12...Re8

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  patzer2: <Swede: <patzer2> 25. Ne5 would be a very good move, except it's illegal.> Oops! I meant to communicate that 24. Rb1! Qe5 25. Ne4! gives White a mating attack, which is a good alternative to 24. e7! (the winning game continuation).
Dec-21-07  zb2cr: <Jimfromprovidence>,

Okay, thanks for the explanation. Are you perchance the second coming of J.R. Capablanca? Because he was the greatest one-move player of all time, and for a one-move analysis, that 22. ... Qe5 is a dynamite move.

Dec-21-07  PinnedPiece: <zb2cr<Jimfp>, .... for a one-move analysis, that 22. ... Qe5 is a dynamite move.>

You guys are kidding, right?


Dec-21-07  zb2cr: No, <PinnedPiece>, we're not joking, and you're mistaken. We're talking about an alternate line, that begins with 21. ... Rfc8; 22.Qd6, Qe5. So your suggestion is not possible in the alternate line we were talking about, because White's Queen is not on c7 but d6.
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  Jimfromprovidence: <zb2cr:> <Jimfromprovidence>,

<Okay, thanks for the explanation. .... for a one-move analysis, that 22. ... Qe5 is a dynamite move.>

<PinnedPiece:> <zb2cr Jimfp>, <You guys are kidding, right?


To <zb2cr: >That was the only (desperate) way I could figure out that the queen could get back in the match. (I didn’t like the text move 20… Qxb2).

To <PinnedPiece:> The queen is on d6 after move 22, not d7.

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