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Ed Trice vs Deep Thought (Computer)
Training game (1989), ?
Caro-Kann Defense: Exchange Variation (B13)  ·  1-0


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Nov-15-04  Saruman: In this game there must've been something wrong with the computer's opening book.8.-Nbd7 is better.
Nov-22-04  ughaibu: I guess Trice was training the thing to lose nicely.
Nov-05-06  syracrophy: 9.Nb5! <9...cxb5 10.Bxb5+ Nd7 <10...Ke7 11.Qxb7+ ; 10...Kd8 11.Rd1 ; 10...Nc6 11.Bxc6+ > 11.Rd1 ; 9...Qxc4 10.Nc7+ >

13.Rd6!! <13...Bxd6 14.Nxd6+ and 15.Nxf7 >

19.Rd1!! <19...Qxf7 20.Rd8#>

20.Rd8+! <20...Qxd8 21.Nxd8 Kxd8 22.Qxb7 >

Aug-04-07  Ed Trice: I told Feng that I observed bad play in the computer's opening book from a previous game, and I asked him if he corrected it. Instead, he said something very insulting. I then proposed to play it from the position in question which was up to move 7. What happened next has been documented :)
Aug-04-07  chessamateur: <Ed Trice> Thanks for the entertaining anecdote, and welcome to the site!
Aug-04-07  Jim Bartle: I can only imagine how satisfying this must have been for Mr. Trice, having been insulted for giving his opinion. I hope their was something riding on the result (a few shares of IBM??).
Aug-04-07  Ed Trice: Well, many people are unaware of this, but I wrote a chess program when I was 19. This was waaaay back before there were even hard drives. It ran on an 800K floppy disk that also housed the Operating System on a Macintosh Plus (I think it was 7 Megahertz if you can believe it!) By 1987 it was running on a 16 MHz Mac SE/30, and it (briefly) broke 2200. You can see its USCF Membership details here:

It only lost 2 games in its career, one to Stephan Rakowsky ( and one to Mark Eidemiller ( so I'm not sure how it dropped to 2129 since both players were over 2300 when it played them.

Anyway, Feng wasn't the only person to insult me and/or The Sniper. Dr. Hans Berliner sat next to me at Hi Tech's last tournament. In that tournament he told the reporters my program was "Low Tech" and his program was "High Tech", the reporters laughed. Then I said "And for $100,000 less, you can get my program, which is almost as good."

Then he turned beet red :)

Aug-04-07  Ed Trice: Jim, no shares of IBM were riding on it.. but I often wonder how much money I'd have if I put the $3600 I spent on the Mac SE/30 into Microsoft stock back in 1988 :)

And thanks for the welcome chessamateur. By the way, how do you quote someone and get the <name> brackets around them?

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  WannaBe: <Ed Trice> Go to the help page, upper right corner button, and read up on the Kibitz'n help/tricks. =)
Aug-08-07  Ed Trice: Yeah I saw it was rather simple, thanks :)
Aug-08-07  posoo: Hohoho, the computer programmer cant figure out da controls! LOL do u even use a compoter?


liked the stories you told by the way

Aug-09-07  Ed Trice: <posoo> Yes I was just thinking how ironic it was that I could create a program to solve a forced mate in 268 moves but I was unaware all you had to do was < > to get the highlight color to change :)
Aug-09-07  Ed Trice: Here is the mate in 268 by the way...

Jan-07-09  KingG: Impressive opening preparation, although it's not clear to me how someone rated arond 1400 could come up with it and then be able to beat a computer, even from a winning position.
Apr-14-09  Zygalski: Ed, why does it say in this PGN that your rating is 2277 when the only 2 entries for Ed Trice on the USCF player rating database show a 1690 & a 1412?

Yours is an unusual name, so I can't imagine there are dozens of Ed Trice's in the chess world.

Any explanation would be appreciated.

May-20-09  Zygalski: Seems like Mr Trice is, for once, reluctant to reply...
Jul-06-09  JonDSouzaEva: Hey Trice - is it true that you were trying to sell copies of "My 61 Memorable Games" at the World Open?
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  whiteshark: Quote of the Day

" I was taken from my apartment in Moscow to this spaceship. We went to some star. After that I said "Please bring me back" because the next day I had to go to Kalmykia and then to Ukraine, and they said "No problem, Kirsan, you have time."

-- Kirsan Ilyumzhinov

Great minds ...

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  jessicafischerqueen: I'm the worst chessplayer at this website and even I can tell this game was composed.

Obviously so.

Sep-08-09  dakgootje: < I'm the worst chessplayer at this website and even I can tell this game was composed.>


I think there are numerous others willing to claim the title of being the worst chessplayer on this site.

Maybe there should be some kind of tournament with in each round the one who loses going through! (of course, in case of a draw neither goes through)

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  jessicafischerqueen: <dak>


Do you remember the game "anti chess"?

Same rules as chess except for two points-

1. You win by losing- first to have no pieces on the board wins.

2. If you can legally capture a piece, you must do so- the King can be captured as well. If you can capture more than one piece, then you get to choose, like in checkers.

We used to play this a lot. It's actually trickier than it sounds.

Sep-11-09  dakgootje: A long, long time ago (almost half a lifetime for me!) I played at a chessclub (no tourneys etc though) and that was indeed one of the most favorite variations we played as kids :D

Along with atomic-chess or whatever the name is where the 8 surrounding squares are destroyed as well when pieces get captured and cylinder chess where the sides of the board don't really exist as you can go round the board (h->a file etc) as if playing on a cylinder.

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  FSR: Ah, the famed Ed Trice. I'd call this opening a Scandinavian Defense by transposition. Opening Explorer
Oct-08-12  RookFile: There is no way that Deep Thought would have played 3....Qxd5 instead of 3....cxd5. Then the game follow up with 4. Nc3 Qd8? I don't think so.
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  perfidious: <dakgootje: < I'm the worst chessplayer at this website and even I can tell this game was composed.> Disagreed.

I think there are numerous others willing to claim the title of being the worst chessplayer on this site....>

On looking over two or three of my games this site has on offer, one might well conclude that I'm capable of being the worst player here, one of which is a lesson in how not to play the French Winawer.

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