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| patzer2: < al wazir: How would black have answered 17. Qd2?
If 17...Qxb6, then 18. Qxc3> and then follows 18...Qxg1  . So if 17. Qd2?, Black wins after 17...Qxb6 . |
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| zdigyigy: White really takes advantage of the dark squares in this game. |
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| cheeseplayer: very nice game with a lot of fancy and tactical moves! |
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| Eyal: Apparently Topalov's last chance of survival was 39...Ke8, defending against the back rank invasion. After 39...Kg8 Svidler wins by a vey nice forced sequence, especially the intermediate check on move 43, which forces Black to take away g6 from the king as a retreat square (43...Qg6 would lose to 44.Rh8+, of course). |
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| ounos: I guess Topa couldn't resist to the crazy position of the board just after move 16. Crazy. |
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| Eyal: The series of tactical strikes and counter-strikes on moves 14-21 is quite spectacular, as several people have already noted; D Baramidze vs Naiditsch, 2005 shows what can happen if either side tries to deviate. See also the following game (from chessbase database) as a demonstration of how tactically tricky the position remains even after that: [Event "ESP-ch U20"]
[Site "Mondariz"]
[Date "2004.07.18"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Villuendas Valero,Adrian"]
[Black "Pena Gomez,Manuel"]
[...] 22.Bh3 Re8 23.Rd3 Nf6 24.Rc3 Qf7 25.Qb6? Qh5! 26.Bf1 (or 26.Bg2 Qh2 27.Qf2 Rf8 and there's no adequate defense against ...Nxe4 - 28.Re3 Ng4, or 28.Rc4 b5 29.Rb4 a5) Qh1 27.Qf2 Nxe4! 0-1 |
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| arnaud1959: <arsen> I think you meant "zugzwang" which means "forced to make a move". Btw "Zwischenzug" means "intermediate move (before recapturing)". 15.Bxb6 could be a "zwischenzug". |
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| TheTamale: Weird game! I would be curious about what Fritz or one of these other chess engines says about all these exchange sacrifices & offerings of the exchange. Is each one considered the strongest move in the position? |
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| thefish: Problem starts with 35...qe3 better is 35...qh1+ then after white move black quin take position on c6 |
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| May-04-09 |
| eric the Baptist: anyone else notice that the only thing you can't do on this site is play chess? |
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| May-04-09 |
| arifattar: The pun was coined a good four and a half years back. Oleg Romanishin |
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| Eyal: <I would be curious about what Fritz or one of these other chess engines says about all these exchange sacrifices & offerings of the exchange. Is each one considered the strongest move in the position?> According to my engine, yes. And with the exception of 14...Rxc3, none of them is really a "sacrifice" - they're actually ways to <avoid> the loss of material, or a clearly inferior position. For example, if White tries 17.Bxd8? then after 17...Bxf2 18.bxc3 Bxg1 19.Rxd6 (or 19.Be7 Re8 20.Bxd6 Bxh2) 19...Bxh2 he's still a pawn down, but obviously worse off than in the game. |
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| patzer2: <thefish: Problem starts with 35...qe3 better is 35...qh1+ then after white move black quin take position on c6> I'm not so sure about that. After 35...Qh1+ 36. Kb2 Qc6 37. Rf1+! Ke8 38. Qf4  , White still enjoys a clear advantage. However, it does avoid the quagmire of the game and I suppose Black might still survive with precise defense.As <Eyal> observes the losing move was 39...Kg8? Instead 39...Ke8  leaves Black with survival chances. Slightly earlier, 37...Qf3= or 37...Qf4= might have been sufficient for Black's survival. Also, as previously noted, the improvement 33...Nc6  looks better for Black. |
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| TheTamale: Thank you, <Eyal>. |
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| kevin86: A nice finish-black can only save the rook by 46... g5,after which the rook and queen eat his king like a pair of velociraptors. |
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| al wazir: <patzer2: <How would black have answered 17. Qd2? If 17...Qxb6, then 18. Qxc3> and then follows 18...Qxg1.> Of course. Thanks. |
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| thefish: yes patzer2 with 38.qf4-qd5 39.Rd2-rf7 |
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| May-04-09 |
| thefish: or simple 38.Qf4-Kd8 |
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| WhiteRook48: poor e7-rook |
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| Lastwarrior: May-04-09 eric the Baptist: anyone else notice that the only thing you can't do on this site is play chess? you can play vote chess against GMs etc. |
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| jessicafischerqueen: <May-04-09 Sicilian Dragon: I've seen this pun somewhere hehe>
Yes- this pun made its first appearance at <CG.com> during any live games broadcasts featuring <Peter Svidler> from about a year and a half back- <Boomie> was the first to start using it, and he has used it many, many times during that period. Actually, I think he should be credited for it. Possibly this game could be considered a "default entry" into the <CG.com Pun Contest>? |
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| Sicilian Dragon: <JFQ>
I meant that i've seen this pun in the pun contest. well, i guess it won't win anymore |
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| Sabinas: Wow, I must be old school, I have to agree the idea of exchanging rooks for bishops appears extreme. Is this new chess wisdom? It would be interesting to see what a Capablanca or a Botvinnik would have done in such a situation. |
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| May-05-09 |
| AnotherNN: Don't understand all those comments about White's last move (46. Qd8) being so great?! 46.Rg8+ would have been more decisive, leading to checkmate or the loss of Black's Q. |
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| Eyal: <Don't understand all those comments about White's last move (46. Qd8) being so great?! 46.Rg8+ would have been more decisive, leading to checkmate or the loss of Black's Q> No, after 46.Rg8+? Kf7 Black is neither checkmated nor loses his queen (47.Rh8 Qg7), which defends f8 - the point of 45...Qh6. Btw, "Svidler on the Roof" is apparently one of the most overused - or at least popular - puns in CG history... it was already used by <CG.com> as a pun for this game when it was GOTD for the first time, back in January 2004 - as the following posts from p.1 testify: <Jan-19-04 MoonlitKnight: Btw, shouldn't the title of the game rather be "Svidler on Top"? :) Jan-19-04 Helloween: <MoonlitKight> The title is a mock reference to the famous "Fiddler on the Roof".> And back in 2005, we find in Svidler's page:
<suenteus po 147: Potential caption for Svidler's picture: "One more 'Svidler on the Roof' joke and I'll bruise your larynx for you."> (Peter Svidler) |
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