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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 76
Queen's Gambit Accepted: Central. Greco Variation (D20)  ·  1-0


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  who: Is there anyway for black to take the pawn and hold it?
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  who: in queen's gambit
Aug-14-04  Shah Mat: as far as i understand it (which isn't very far in QP games) the reason the QGA is so good for white is because the pawn is too much trouble to hold on to. I came upon this game looking for ways to get the pawn back, so if i find a line that looks good, i'll post it here =)
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  acirce: You're not supposed to hold on to it. White easily wins it back, Black shouldn't even try. Still it is a sound opening for Black, he usually gets no particular problems with development or structural weaknesses, but there often occurs these typical positions where White gets an isolated d-pawn and gets space advantage and some initiative in return.
Dec-13-04  Jaymthegenius: Greco play's the Queens gambit so bad! 6.b3 is a huge error! and 6...cxb3 wins for black! 8.d5 waste time, better is 8.Nf3,e6 9.Bf4,Nc6 10.Bd3 and white has much better chances then Greco vs. NN, 1620, QGA
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  sneaky pete: <Jaymthegenius> 6.b3.. is the thematic move. Please explain how 6... cxb3 7.Bxb5+ .. wins for black.
Dec-14-04  Jaymthegenius: 7...Bd7 8.Bxd7+,Qxd7
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  sneaky pete: If 6... cxb3 7.Bxb5+ Bd7 8.Qxb3 .. with a clear white advantage.
Apr-13-05  Milo: pete, I have my doubts, as black has the passed a-pawn. Try 8...Bxb5 9.Qxb5+ Qd7. Are there any direct tactical shots?
Jul-14-05  Jaymthetactician: Black should have won this! Greco doesnt know how to play the queens gambit correctly, I'd play as black 9...Bd6 10.Nf3,Nf6 11.Be2,Nd7 .
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  aw1988: Bd6 is horrible positionally. Try 10. c5 for starters.
Jul-18-05  Jaymthetactician: maybe so, but after the best moves after 10.c5,Bxc5 11.Nf3,Bd7 12.Be2 and black still stands better.
Dec-17-05  Chopin: Wow a Greco game that actually lasted for more then 6 moves.
Oct-04-07  wolfmaster: The power of the passed pawn!
Jan-28-08  wolfmaster: NN gets to the endgame alive!
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  alexmagnus: Round: "76". LOL
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  AnalyzeThis: NN played better here, his play was actually consistent. It's just a bad plan.
May-17-17  hudapri: Interesting to look at the ancient approach to 1.d4. 8 pawn moves in a row and there is no development of either King's Knight. Not terrible but definitely strange.

The final position is not dead lost and should be played on. Part of the reason why is because White's Nb1 remains undeveloped.

23... Rxa5 24. Nxa5 Kg7

For example, 25. Ke2 Ra8.

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