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|Nov-12-06|| ||Rubenus: I mean beautiful.|
|Nov-30-06|| ||Rubenus: Dadian payed Boutourlin to win a game by queen sac, but black could make a draw with 17...Bc5. 11.Bg5 or Bh5 had won easily. Boutourlin was a very weak player, or Dadian payed him also for stupid moves e.g. 6...Bc5+.|
|Jun-07-07|| ||WilhelmThe2nd: "Chess is at present in high favour among the aristocratic circles of Russian society in St. Petersburg, and this through the influence of the well-known amateur, Prince Dadian of Mingrelia. Every Tuesday meetings are held at the home of General Count P. Kreutz; on Tuesdays [sic; Thursdays?] at that of Colonel Boutourline, and on Saturdays the elegant salons of Count H. Kreutz, on the banks of the Neva, are at the disposal of the players. Prince Dadian, at the moment, holds the first place in point of strength at these gatherings." ('The Week', July 3rd, 1884, pg. 494)|
|Jun-08-07|| ||Joshka: Wouldn't 17. Bd2 keep the pressure on more and avoid a draw..?|
|Sep-26-07|| ||King mega: Both player sucks!|
|Sep-26-07|| ||patzerboy: Historical notes:
Mingrelia is a historic district of west Georgia on the eastern shore of the Black Sea. Lavrenti Beria (Stalin's NKVD chief succeeding Yezhov) was Mingrelian.
|Sep-26-07|| ||kevin86: Macdonnell Gambit used to be called Macdonnell Attack-but I won't quibble too much over the slight change. |
The play was very iffy most of the way,but the prince was victorious in an artistic finish. The ride was quite bumpy,however.
The king was chased from pillar to post,but at least he didn't have to wait five hours at the airport,lol.
|Sep-26-07|| ||psmith: <Joshka> Where is the draw after 17. Nd3?|
After 17...Bxd4 White has a forced mate (as verified with Fritz).
After 17. Nd3 Bc5! things are less clear. But it would be nice to have some analysis showing a draw.
|Sep-26-07|| ||Breunor: Does anyone know who annotated this game?
|Sep-26-07|| ||psmith: The more I look at this with Fritz, the more convinced I am that White has a forced win after 17. Nd3. The main line is 17. Nd3 Bc5 18. Bd2+ Kb6 19. dxc5+ Kc6 20. Nb4+ Kxc5 21. Ra3! This position is remarkably hard for Black to hold. I invite analysis. Can anyone fire up a more powerful engine than my Fritz 5.32?|
|Sep-26-07|| ||karnak64: The opponents' names sound like they're characters in an Edgar Rice Burroughs novel.|
|Sep-26-07|| ||fm avari viraf: A lovely game with lots of tactical skirmishes where the Black King runs for his life on the other side of the bank to have a safe haven but ultimately, slaughtered in wilderness.|
|Sep-26-07|| ||Domdaniel: Ah, these guys. It's a beauty. Of course White wins prosaically with 11.Bh6+, but the Queen sac is a thunderbolt. 17...Bxd4 loses, but how many players would find the only saving move, 17...Bc5! -- which seems to lead to a draw? Not many.|
|Sep-26-07|| ||psmith: <Domdaniel> I deny that 17...Bc5 leads to a draw. See above. Analysis please?|
|Sep-26-07|| ||JeLiFF7: isnt 20. Bc4# checkmate?|
|Sep-26-07|| ||Domdaniel: <psmith> I think you're right about the line with 21.Ra3! -- I've been feeding it to Fritz 8, and there are a vast number of variations, but there are wins in every line I've checked.|
For example: 17...Bc5 18.Bd2+ Kb6 19.dxc5+ Kc6 20.Nb4+ Kc5 21.Ra3 (all forced: white wins if Black deviates anywhere so far; but now Black has several plausible space-making moves to try to find an escape route for the king...)
The main possibilities are 21...d6, 21...d5, and 21...c6. To me, ...d6 seemed the most plausible, but:
21...d6 22.Nd5 b5 (alternatives not good) 23.Rc3+ Kd4 24.b4! (crucial, cutting off king retreat in several lines) and now
24...Kxe5 25.Re3+ Kd4 26.Bc3+ Kc4 27.Nb6#
24...Bf5 25.Re3 bxa4 26.Nc3 d5 (or 26...dxe5 27.Ne2#) 27.Nb5+ Kc4 28.Na3+ Kd4 29.c3#
28.Re3 d5 29.Bxh5 Kc4 (or 29...Rxd8 30.Rf4#) 30.Be2+ Kd4 31.Rf4#
24...bxa4 25.Nc7 mates, eg 25...Ba6 26.Ne6+ Kd5 27.Nxd8+ Kd4 28.Re3 d5 29.Bxh5 Kc4 (or 29...Rxd8 30.Rf4#) 30.Be2+ Kd4 31.Rf4#
Maybe 21...c6 offers a way out, but ...d6 seems to lose in all lines.
|Sep-26-07|| ||syracrophy: <JeLiFF7: isnt 20. Bc4# checkmate?>|
20...b5 and 21...♔b7
|Sep-26-07|| ||psmith: <Domdaniel> Yup, I was coming up with stuff like that, but too busy to type it all up.|
On 21...c6 I believe 22. a5 wins (I'm going from memory here but try it in Fritz). The other main possible defense is 21... d5.
|Sep-26-07|| ||Domdaniel: <psmith> 21...c6 fails to 22.a5, but I haven't cracked 21...d5 yet.|
I've also found wins in all lines with 21...d6 22.Nd5 Qh4 (with the main idea being ...Qxf2+ and ...Rf8) -- white wins after 23.Rc3+ Kd4 24.Re2.
|Sep-26-07|| ||Domdaniel: <psmith> yeah, I think we're on parallel lines here all right. One quick line after 21...d5:|
22.Nxd5 Qh4 23.Be3+ Kc6 24.Ne7+ Qxe7 25.Rc3+ Kd7 26.Rd2+ Kd6 27.exd6 cxd6 28.Bxh5 Nc6
and Black staggers into an almost materially equal ending, but completely winning for White. But there may be improvements for either side on move 22.
|Sep-26-07|| ||pawnofdoom: Amamzing how someone can calculate all this from move 11 to a checmate 11 moves later. And can anyone tell me why Qh5 is a mistake? It seems perfectly fine to me.|
Games were this exciting until we started having all that opening theory, and the first 15 moves of every game now in top level chess is all planned out, and they can often get really boring
But here, there is a completely weird gambit opening that leads to tons of excitement. I doubt anything int he first fifteen moves was opening theory. or at least from move 7 to 15
|Sep-27-07|| ||psmith: <Domdaniel> In the line we've been analyzing, after 21...d5 22. Nxd5 Qh4 I think 23. Rc3+ Kd4 24. Re2 is even more decisive.|
The position is extremely complicated but I see no defense for Black.
|May-23-09|| ||WhiteRook48: <anyone knows who annotated this game?>
|Mar-18-12|| ||Lashab: Qh5 was a mistake, but engine picks it up as at least a drawing combination. Bh6+ was the real road to victory for White.|
And someone said that at move 17, black could draw with Bc5, which is a nonsense.
From move 13, it was just a forced mate. But black could draw on move 12 with Ng7. It's just a draw by perpetual.
|Oct-24-17|| ||Bubo bubo: <pawnofdoom: Amamzing how someone can calculate all this from move 11 to a checmate 11 moves later.>|
Not that amazing, since these "brillancies" of Andrey D. are no genuine games, but fraudulent fabrications!
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