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|Apr-13-05|| ||Poisonpawns: Games like this are the reason i stopped playing 1...f5 dutch,Out of 10 dutch defenses i play I am luck to get 3 main lines out of them.Usually I always get anti-dutch systems 2.Bg5,2,Nc3 2.g4 etc etc too much preparation needed to play the 1..f5 in the dutch.I now switch my allegiance to the Old Indian and budapest ! |
|Apr-26-05|| ||Everett: I see no one responded with any improvements for black even though they think 2.d3 is an inferior move. I stated white's case in my last post. Carlsen makes a statement of his own.|
By move 9, look at white's control of the d5 square, his easy development, the ability to castle. All much better than black. When black defends d5 with c6, white just pounces on new weakness on d6. Excellent chess.
|Oct-17-06|| ||siggemannen: i think nowadays 2.d3 is considered a refutation to the move order Nf3 f5|
|Sep-03-07|| ||Poisonpawns: 8..c6 is the correct move not 8..Nf6 then Bc4 is not an issue.As in Lerner-Bareev Ussr Ch (Kiev)1986.8..c6 9.Bd3 (if Bc4? d5)Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Nf6 11.0-0 Be7 12.Ne2 d5 13.Nd4 Qd7 14.Bg5 0-0 with complete equality. So I dont think 2.d3!? is a refutation but a move that black has to play accurately against. After 8..Nf6?! Bc4! was indeed very powerful,but 8..c6 and i think black is ok.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||egilarne: The great expert GM Stefan Kindermann proposes 8...c6 9.Bf4! in his book on the Leningrad variation (2005), page 182:|
"The position arising after 9 Bf4 does not exactly inspire confidence, from the black point of view, as the two games played and some analytical material show. The insecure position of the black king and the weakness of the central squares are a source of constant anxiety."
|Feb-28-08|| ||midknightblue: <refutor> I know that you know your stuff. Nevertheless, thought I would mention that in Neil McDonalds recent book "Chess Success:planning after the opening" he cover this game and says that 2.d3 is "a shrewd move to take his opponent out of the typical dutch pawn structure that arises after 2.d4 Nf3..." I don't know these systems as well, since I usually answer Nf3 with Nf6 and I don't play 1Nf3 as white. However, I thought McDonald's comments seemed sensible. By junk, do you mean waste-basket of openings that aren't well defined or junk as in bad? If so is there any concrete analysis?|
|Apr-29-09|| ||returnoftheking: There is an entire chapter on this opening in Nic's SOS series, volume 1; where they call it the improved Lisitsin gambit like <poisonpanws> above indicated.
Coincidentally; SOS volume 1 was published not long before this game was played! I guess "patzer books" are sometimes useful even to GM's.|
|Apr-29-09|| ||returnoftheking: This one Korchnoi vs Dolmatov, 1999 is for the dude above who thinks Dolmatov is lost in unknown positions..|
|Oct-15-09|| ||beenthere240: The Latvian declined 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. d3 can make the black player think that he's going to have it easy, but it ain't necessarily so.|
|Dec-19-09|| ||lefthandsketch: Actually, following 1.Nf3 f5 2. d3 prevents the leningrad dutch according to Steffan Kindermann, who cites this game saying that dutch players shouldn't play 1...f5 against 1.nf3, because it is so simple for white to steal the initiative and the center forever with the simple pawn push e4...so black players instead should play 1...d6 against 1.Nf3 and try to transpose into the dutch later- though they may be forced into a pirc obviously.|
|Dec-20-09|| ||Shams: On 6...e4 what is white's best?|
|Dec-17-11|| ||whiteshark: Here is the new link for Kavalek's comments:
|Dec-22-11|| ||eyalbd: <<Q: I still recall the scene with Alexander Nikitin, Kasparov’s coach, who at one of the first “Aeroflots” stood next to your table and witnessed you crush Dolmatov in 20 moves. He then went around the hall with the scoresheet of that game and breathlessly informed everyone: "This is the game of a genius">|
Carlsen: Yes, I remember that, I was 13 then (laughs). I want to thank Nikitin for the good promotion he did for me then. He’s an authority figure, and I even heard about it when I returned home. Yes, he also predicted a great future for me.>
|Dec-22-11|| ||Penguincw: A quick whip by Carlsen at such a young age.|
|Dec-27-11|| ||Cemoblanca: On his chess development (From ChessPro, translated by ColinMcGourty)|
ChessPro: I still recall the scene with Alexander Nikitin, Kasparov’s coach, who at one of the first “Aeroflots” stood next to your table and witnessed you crush Dolmatov in 20 moves. He then went around the hall with the scoresheet of that game and breathlessly informed everyone: “This is the game of a genius”…
Magnus: Yes, I remember that, I was 13 then (laughs). I want to thank Nikitin for the good promotion he did for me then. He’s an authority figure, and I even heard about it when I returned home. Yes, he also predicted a great future for me.
Here is the full interview: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...
|Jun-27-12|| ||Poisonpawns: This game reminds me of Morphy so much its scary. Is Magnus the reincarnate Morphy?|
|Jul-13-12|| ||Poisonpawns: Can you refute 8..Bxc2
Perhaps 9.Bf4 Nc6(c6) 10.Rc1 Bf5 11.Bc4
I like white. No refutation per say but very hard for black.
Other move for black to try that is better than the text is 11..Qe7+
What does white play? I like 12.Kd1 0-0-0 13.a4!
It seems 1.Nf3 buries f5 to the trash bin of openings.
Question: How does a dutch player get to the dutch after 1.Nf3 without playing 1..f5?
|Sep-28-13|| ||EGarrett: Given the quote from the interview, this should be a Game of the Day under the title, "Alexander's Delight."|
|Nov-02-13|| ||Check It Out: Kingscrusher highlights this game:
|Sep-16-14|| ||MarkFinan: <Check It Out: Kingscrusher highlights this game:
Just watched the video. I got distracted for about 30 seconds so that's maybe why he lost me, although I do think his vids are brilliant most of the time. Can't really comment on the game itself now, lol, but I just wanted to say I liked the part where 'Kasparov's trainer' walked around the playing hall saying that "This is the game of a genius!".
Btw.. If you're training Kasparov then you're either a genius yourself or you just know what you're talking about, lol. Either way he was right because Carlsen is now WCC and already up there with the greats throughout history.. Imo! ✌
|Oct-10-14|| ||Domdaniel: The 'what is this opening?' debate from 10 years ago is amusing. Comments range from saying that 2.d3 is 'junk' to calling it a refutation of 1.Nf3 f5.|
Neither, obviously, is true. Nor is this a Dutch, though 2.d4 would have transposed into one. It's a Neo-Lisitsyn ... an improved version of the original Lisitsyn Gambit, 1.Nf3 f5 2.e4.
I've played both 2.e4 and 2.d3 and have come to prefer the latter. Carlsen's treatment of it here is inspirational, though not all opponents are quite so helpful.
|Nov-27-15|| ||Domdaniel: < This game reminds me of Morphy so much its scary. Is Magnus the reincarnate Morphy?>|
No, not really. All it takes to play a Morphyesque game is basic tactical skill plus help from the opponent. Most masters have played a few... even I have a couple of games that look superficially Morphy-like, though I know my opponents were weaker.
|Nov-27-15|| ||perfidious: <Dom> one of (probably) very few Morphy-type smashes in my career came after 1.Nf3 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.d3, when my 1900-rated opponent incautiously took what was on offer, going down in eight moves.|
Being a positional grinder was more my style, rather than playing for a quick kill.
|Nov-27-15|| ||Domdaniel: <perf> As was I, most of the time. But I can think of a couple of games that were superficially Morphyesque (and a couple more that I lost).|
I reckon the basic Morphy tactics are part of everyone's armory now.
|Oct-23-17|| ||The Kings Domain: Neat and simply efficient win by Carlsen. One of the finest miniatures of the game.|
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