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Carl Hamppe vs Wilhelm Steinitz
"Carl's Bad" (game of the day Jan-31-2005)
Vienna (1860)
Vienna Game: General (C27)  ·  0-1
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Nov-15-04  iron maiden: Too bad that collection isn't likely to see any more additions.
Jan-31-05  BlazingArrow56: Seems old-school chess always has the most exotic mates.
Jan-31-05  BlazingArrow56: Isn't Carlsbad a place with a huge stair/grass gap where sk8ers like Jeremy Ray busted f/s flips and 360s down? Maybe that was a different carlsbad.
Jan-31-05  mjk: 29...g3! is a beautiful move simultaneously clogging up an escape route and opening up Black's ♗ to take away another of White's flight squares.
Jan-31-05
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  cu8sfan: Karlsbad in the Czech Republic may have been the Wijk aan Zee or Linares of the 1910's and 20's. It hosted many a great tournament that featured the likes of Alekhine, Nimzowitsch, Tarrasch, Lasker, Capablanca, Sämisch, Rubinstein etc. Check out http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cserica/s..., http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cserica/s... or http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cserica/s....
Jan-31-05  ughaibu: When did Lasker play there?
Jan-31-05
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  cu8sfan: <ughaibu> I've got to check my book at home. Could be that I erred with Lasker.
Jan-31-05
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  meloncio: <cu8sfan> I think you know, but I'll tell you anyway. Karlsbad = Karlova Vary today, in czech language. I have been there in the summer of 2002, a wonderful place, but I stayed just one day.
Jan-31-05
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  catlover: <panigma> <Very cool configuration after 28...hxg4.>

Yes. It looks like a composed problem: "White to play and lose". :-)

Jan-31-05  jkiipli: amazing, I dont imagine myself playing moves like 7...Qd7, after 13...Kf8 I would have counted my situation much inferior. I probably would have slain the bishop 7...Bxc4 or at least 10...0-0-0 (I'm playing that coward-style chess, heh, maybe I should reteach myself)
Jan-31-05  aw1988: Philidor must be smiling in his grave.
Jan-31-05
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  kevin86: Carl's Bad-I bet the one who came up with that one couldn't tell a cave from a hole in the ground.(lol)

Steinitz certainly came up with some strange moves and positions. Here is another game where Steinitz doesn't castle-seemingly an unwanted luxury by him.

I do also like the diamond of pawns around black's knight.

Jan-31-05  aw1988: Too bad this wasn't played at Carlsbad, but Vienna. It would add more to the pun... :P
Jan-31-05
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  patzer2: Stenintz's 29...g3! initiates an instructive deflection mate.
Jan-31-05  cloybloy: So this is why they coined this opening the vienna opening.
Apr-03-05  maxruen: I think Steinitz was really great! Not the greatest, but the first of the real great!!
Apr-04-05  Lawrence: You mean, he was the first of the real great, but not the first of the real real great?
Apr-04-05
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  meloncio: <Lawrence> Glad to read you again, Lorenzo. And in a good mood as usual.
Apr-05-05  Lawrence: Hi <meloncio>, saludos, haven't been doing much posting lately because I've been spending so much time on art sites, and have started to learn how to paint in my dotage (vejez). Another Grandma Moses--Grandpa in this case.

btw, my family name is Humphrey: goes pretty well with your avatar, eh?

Apr-05-05
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  meloncio: <Lawrence><my family name is Humphrey: goes pretty well with your avatar, eh?> Sure! Bogey has always been my hero. And I think I once saw your face in a 100-dollar bill, but the name was such a Ben Franklin :-D

btw, I don't get the pun about <Grandma Moses--Grandpa> Is it a Canadian joke?

Apr-06-05  Lawrence: <meloncio>, no, Grandma Moses was a lady who took up painting very late in life and became famous in North America.
Apr-07-05  maxruen: Dear Lawrence! My use of 'real' was only connected to the notion of reality. Your second real, I think, has a superlative flavor... If so, I "really" don't know, how many one should use to compare Steinitz to Capa, Kaspa, Karp, etc. Isn't that so? A hug for you!
Apr-07-05  Lawrence: Hi, <maxruen>, a warm welcome to <chessgames> from all of us. I see you've already got a game collection--keep up the good work! I'm sure you're going to enjoy it here as much as all the rest of us do, it's such a great site.
Apr-14-06  MorphyMatt: now thats a pawn storm!
Jan-29-17
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  Big Pawn: This game seems to forshadow Steinitz's penchant for playing experimental moves during a real game, as well as the materialism that would characterize some of his play after 1873.

10...Bd4 strikes me as a slow move with the aim of pressuring the d pawn. Then the later ...Kf8 is classic Steinitz in that he was of the idea that the King could take care of himself with a few accurate moves.

I like looking through Steinitz's early games, before he famously and suddenly became a positional play after Vienna 1873, to see if I can spot instances of things to come.

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