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| Mar-20-04 | | Halfpricemidge: This game is annotated at chess.fm /markdiesen |
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| Apr-16-04 | | Halfpricemidge: If black captured 16...BxPg2 then the Quenn's pawn is advanced (in order to block black's mating net) 17.Pd5, PxP 18. Nf5, Bd8(to avoid capture) 19. QxR+!, NxQ 20. RxN+, Nf8, and 21. Nh6+ with mate on the very next move!! |
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| Mar-18-05 | | Minji: I thought the Colle-Zukertort was not only b3 but also the fianchetto of the dark-squared bishop. |
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| Mar-18-05 | | Dudley: Huh? |
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| Mar-19-05 | | misguidedaggression: <Halfpricemidge> What were you planning to do after 18...Bf8
now the queen has to move and black can save the bishop.
Try this line instead:
16...Bxg2 17.d5 exd5 18.Kxg2 dxc4+ 19.Be4 allthough black does get 3 pawns for the piece, white should still have a very strong attack. I think 16..Nf8 or possably 16...Bf8 holds off white's attack entirely, though. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | Nightwalk: I wasn't familiar with Colle's games, but after playing this I must say the man was one of the best and I intend to further study and appreciate his legacy. |
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| Oct-02-08 | | aragorn69: <E. Colle: ‘I have not played such a lot of fine games as to make the selection really difficult, but still it is not easy to define accurately what is really one’s best game. One of the reasons - not a very good one, but still a reason – for selecting [Colle v Grünfeld, Berlin, 1926] is that it was awarded the first brilliancy prize.’ > Source: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| Dec-16-11 | | wordfunph: from the book Colle System by George Koltanowski..
<When asked by Frank Marshall to select his best game for inclusion in the book "Chess Masterpieces", Colle chose this game.> |
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Jan-30-14
 | | Eggman: This is the position, after 19...Nc5, where Colle's remarkable combination commences:
click for larger viewAfter 20.Nf5+ Black declines to capture, playing 20...Kf8 instead. Capturing the knight leaves Black two pieces up with the knight on c5 threatening more trades, but White wins anyhow: 20...gxf5 21.Qxf5 Nxd3 21.Rxe7+ Rxe7 22.Qxf6+ Kg8 23.Qxe7 Nxb2 24.Re1 
click for larger viewNow 24...Nd3 (intending 25.Re3 Ne5 26.Rg3+ Ng6) is met with 25.Qg5+ followed by 26.Re7, while 24...Re8 25.Qxe8+ Qxe8 26.Rxe8+ Kf7 27.Rb8 leaves White with a rook and at least four pawns for the two minor pieces. This is the kind of combination that could only work with the opponent's queen tucked away on a8! |
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Jan-31-14
| | Eggman: With reference to the position above (the diagram after 24.Re1, which should have read 25.Re1 - my bad), some other defensive tries worth mentioning: 25...Bxd5 fails to 26.Qg5+ Kf8 27.Re7 Bf7 28.Qf6, while 25...h6 (to prevent 26.Qg5+) fails to 26.Re3 Kh8 27.Rh3, and finally 25...Rf8 26.Re3 Qe8 (26...Rf7 is of no help against the simple 27.Rg3+) meets 27.Rg3+ (best, but 27.Qxe8 is good enough) Qg6 28.Rxg6+ hxg6 29.Qxb7, when White has a queen and three pawns for Black's rook and minor piece. |
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Nov-19-18
 | | fiercebadger: eggman 25 Rc3 is deadlier |
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May-16-23
 | | Korora: "I'm the operator/With my pocket Colle-culator..." |
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May-16-23
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Black's formation saw a great deal of use during the 70s and 80s. However, that most often arose from an English Opening, Maroczy <sp?> Bind with White pawns on c4 and e4. Moving the e4 pawn to d4 changes everything, granting the Bd3 a clean b2-h7 diagonal. Made quite a difference in this game. |
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May-16-23
 | | Teyss: Nice game and pun from the regretted <Domdaniel>. Didn't know him but from what I read he seemed like a fine fellow. May he rest in peace. |
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May-16-23
 | | perfidious: <Dom> was one of the truly decent contributors hereabout; one could always have an entertaining and intelligent conversation with him, erudite as he was. RIP to a decent man. |
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May-16-23
 | | Chessical: If <20...gxf5> then:
click for larger view<21. Qxf5> Nxd3 22. Rxe7+ Rxe7 23. Qxf6+ Kg8 24. Qxe7 Nxb2 25. <Rc3!> and Black cannot free his pieces quickly enough to avoid being mated. |
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May-16-23
 | | OhioChessFan: Glad to be reminded of <dom>. |
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| Aug-26-23 | | Brenin: 17 Nxf7 is hard to resist, especially when one vaguely remembers this as a recent GOTD. I suppose one has to see 20 Nf5+ to claim success, but it's an obvious way of continuing the attack. Black's 18 ... Kg7 looks wrong: surely f8 is a better square for the K. Similarly, 19 ... Ne5 would have been better than Nc5. |
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| Aug-26-23 | | Cecco: With the defensive plan described by <Brenin> it seems that black can resist. |
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| Aug-26-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Let's try 17. Nxf7 Kxf7 18. Qxe6+ Kg7 19. d5 Rcd8 (otherwise 20. Qxd7)20. Nf5+ gxf5 21. Qxf5 Nf8 (if not, 22. Qxh7+) 22. Rxe7+ Rxe7 23. Qxf6+ Kg8 24. Qxe7 Rd7 (if not play it: 25. Qg7#) 25. Bxh7+ Nxh7 26. Qxd7 Qf8 27. Re1 and B surrenders. While, 19... Nf8 20. Qxe7+ Rxe7 21. Rxe7+ Kg8 22. Bxf6 Re8 23. Rce1 Rxe7 24. Rxe7 a5 25. Rg7+ Kh8 26. Rxb7+ Kg8 27. Rg7+ Kh8 28. Ra7+ Kg8 29. Rxa8 Kf7 30. Bg5. These moves aren't forced, but look reasonable. |
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| Aug-26-23 | | mel gibson: I wasn't sure.
Stockfish is showing no real advantage.
Stockfish 16 says:
17. h4
(17. h4 (h2-h4 d6-d5 h4-h5 Be7-b4
Qe2-e3 Bb4xe1 Rc1xe1 Qa8-b8 Ng5xh7 Nf6xh7 h5xg6 f7xg6 Bd3xg6 Nd7-f6 Qe3-h6
Qb8-c7 Bg6xh7+ Nf6xh7 Ng3-h5 Kg8-h8 Bb2-c1 ) +0.60/54 1303) score for White +0.60 depth 54.
If I force SF to play the game ply:
17. Nxf7 Kxf7
(17. .. Kxf7 (Kg8xf7 Qe2xe6+ Kf7-g7 d4-d5 Nd7-e5 Rc1-d1 Rc8-d8 Re1xe5 d6xe5 Qe6xe5 Qa8-b8 Qe5-e3 Bb7-c8
h2-h3 Qb8-c7 b3-b4 Kg7-g8 Qe3-d4 Re8-f8 a2-a3 Bc8-d7 Rd1-c1 Rf8-f7 c4-c5 ) -0.30/53 670) score for Black -0.30 depth 53. |
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Aug-26-23
 | | scormus: Very difficult. Because, with hindsight, there is no clear win. Without hindsight, I could find promising moves (certainly Nxf7 and Qxe6+) but wasn't very confident about the follow-up. B makes things easier for W with 18 ... Kg7, allowing 19 d5, pinning the Nf6. But I wasn't sure about 20 Nf5+ and chose Qe3 instead. So I probably missed the key move. Now to ask SF. |
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| Aug-26-23 | | jffun1958: I spotted the weak point f7 in the Black castle
and guessed
17. Nxf7 Kxf7 18. Qxe6+ Kf8
but couldn't find any forcing line from there. |
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| Aug-26-23 | | agb2002: I know this game.
The position that would have arisen after 17.Nxf7 Kxf7 18.Qxe6+ Kg7 19.d5 Nf8 is a good example of piece activity: 20.Qxe7+ Rxe7 21.Rxe7+ Kg8 22.Bxf6 Nd7 (to avoid the windmill) 23.Rg7+ Kf8 24.Rxd7 Kg8 25.Rg7+ Kf8 26.Rxh7 and Black's king side is about to disappear. |
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Aug-26-23
 | | chrisowen: I duck its z bap q its horn its wolf very Nxf7 achtung match its h4 off ignite ahh its ratchet dud axiom jock choose its h4 lab Nxf7 ear |
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sac: 17.Nxf7