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| Apr-17-04 |
| LuisGLopez: <IBM> 12.hxg4 Qf2+ 13.Kxf2 :-) |
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Apr-18-04
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| crafty: 12. hxg4  xg4 13. h3  h4+ 14.  f1 f2 15. g3  (eval 2.93; depth 12 ply; 1000M nodes) |
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Apr-18-04
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| InspiredByMorphy: Sorry. I was thinking 13.hxg4 Qf2# I got to pay more attention to the move numbers next time! :) |
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Apr-18-04
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| InspiredByMorphy: Fischer might have drawn with 11. e5 O-O-O 12. exf6 Bxf6 13. Nge2 Rhe8 14. Kf1 It seems to me 11.h3 is the blunder. However, before he had a chance to do so, Palermo could have played 9.Qxb5 10. Nxb5 Nxd4 11. Nxd4 O-O-O 12. Ngf3 Bc5 An alternate option for black earlier in the game was 7.Qxd1+ and in my opinion, would have led to a better game instantly for Palermo after 8. Kxd1 Nxe4 9. Be3 Bg4+
10. Nf3 O-O-O+ |
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| Apr-18-04 |
| ConLaMismaMano: GM Carlos García Palermo is currently ranked 2444. In Chessbase, his maximum ranking ever achieved was 2550 in 1986 when he was 33 years old (he was born in 1953). |
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| Apr-18-04 |
| Lancet: Maybe this rarely played line in Falkbeer (4.Bb5+, 5...Nxc6) is worth further analysis. I, too, like <InspiredByMorphy>, think that 11.h3 is White's greatest mistake. It creates a hole at g3, as if white King was not enough exposed. But first of all, it allows Black to further increase his lead in development (to incredible 3 moves, being White!). However, I don't think that 11.e5, yet another pawn move, suggested by <InspiredByMorphy>, is the best alternative. That bacause after 11...Nh5 (threatning 12...Bh4+ 13.g3 Nxg3) 12.g3 Black is still allowed to further increase his lead in development AND is threatning with ...Bc5, ...Bf2+, ...Nxg3+, etc. Better continuations might be the aggressive 11.Nd5 or just simple development 11.Bd2 followed by 12.Ne2. |
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| Apr-19-04 |
| karlzen: My lines:
11.e5 0-0-0 12.exf6 bxf6 13.Nge2 Rhe8 14.Kf1 Qc5 15.Rb1 (which was my original line) 15...Nd4 16.Nxd4 Rxd4 17.Bxe8 Rxa4 18.Bxa4 Bxc3 19.bxc3 Qc4+ 20.Kf2 Qxa4 21.Rb2 b6 should be about equal, but black has slightly better practical chances. 9...Qxb5 10. Nxb5 Nxd4 11. Nxd4 O-O-O 12. Ngf3 Bc5 13.Nb3 and I'm not sure that black will draw but after 13...Nxe4 14.Nxc5 Bxf3 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Be3! it is at least o-c bishops. 7...Qxd1+ 8.Kxd1 Nxe4 9.Be3 Bg4+ 10.Ne2 O-O-O+ 11.Kc1 should be slightly better for white. 11.e5 Nh5 is interesting but probably not "computer-proof", say 12.Nge2 0-0-0 13.Bd2. 11.Nd5 is bad in view of 11...Nxd5 12.exd5 0-0-0.
11.Bd2 Bc5 12.Nge2 Bf2+ with continued pressure. |
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Apr-20-04
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| patzer2: Although only a simultaneous exhibition, Fischer loses his way against a future GM with 12. Bxc6?? instead of playing the complicated (and not so obvious) but best 12. hxg4! as suggested by David S. Brummer (and analyzed as a win by Crafty). However, even after Crafty's analysis of its best line with 12. hxg4! Nxg4 13. Nh3 Bh4+ 14. Kf1 Nf2 15. g3! the question arises as to how White should continue after 15...Bxg3!? At this critical juncture (after 15...Bxg3!?),
White appears to have one move with any possible winning chances, which is 16. Kg2!?, after which Fritz 8 gives the best continuation as 16...Nxh3 17. Rf1! Nxf4+ 18. Bxf4 Bxf4 19. Nd5 Qc5 20. Rxf4 Ne5 21.Nd5 Qg6+!? with only a slight White advantage(+0.25 @ 14/50 depth & 688kN/s). I'm not sure what accounts for the difference in the Crafty analysis of a win (+2.93) and the Fritz 8 analysis of only a slight advantage for White (+0.25), except perhaps that Fritz 8 analyzed the final Crafty position a bit deeper. |
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| Apr-21-04 |
| karlzen: <patzer2>, Fischer simply overlooked Nxe4 and thought he could exchange on c6 before taking the bishop at g4. In the position in your analysis after 20...Ne5 (although the following moves make no sense as you seem to mix two different variations), black does not seem to have full compensation, after say 21.Rd1 (intending Qd4). |
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Apr-21-04
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| patzer2: <Karlzen> Thanks for taking the time to take a look at the 12. hxg4! variation. This morning in having Fritz 8 reanalyze the position, I confirmed the accuracy of the moves 12. hxg4! Nxg4 13. Nh3 Bh4+ 14. Kf1 Nf2 15. g3!! Bxg3!? 16. Kg2! Nxh3 17. Rf1! Nxf4+ 18. Bxf4 Bxf4 19. Nd5 Qc5 20. Rxf4 Ne5. However, after your recommended 21. Rd1 the computer assesses the position as a clear White win (+2.41 @ 14/51 depth & 678kN/s). So, you are correct that Fischer tried to get too cute in not immediately taking the free piece and the win with 12. hxg4!, and simply overlooked the fact that 12. Bxc6?? Nxe4!! would throw away the win and give it to his young (future GM) opponent Carlos Garcia-Palermo. |
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Apr-21-04
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| patzer2: After 12...Nxe4!! note that the Black Knight is poison. If 13. Qxe4 or 13. Bxe4, then 13...Bh4+! 14. g3 Bxg3+ 15. Kf1 Qf2# follows. If 13. Nxe4, then 14. Rd1# is the finish. |
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Nov-08-04
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| InspiredByMorphy: My earlier post has a lot of hogwash in it. A simple improvement for white would have been 6.d4 Nf6 7.c4 threatening 8.d5 . Or in the game 7.Nd2 also looks good. |
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| Aug-07-05 |
| Chessburger: hi everybody! im new here...
and this is very strange because i played a game against carlos garcia palermo today! nice game btw. and, he beat me of course. but i think i screwed the game, was draw. =( good luck everyone. |
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| Aug-07-05 |
| Montreal1666: <Chessburger> And where was this? |
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| Aug-09-05 |
| Chessburger: in Rio grande, Argentina.
palermo come from Buenos aires. but he is lives in italy actually.good luck |
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| Nov-09-05 |
| russep: What's wrong with 13. Bxe4. |
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| Nov-09-05 |
| AverageWoodpusher: But you have to admit she is really nice to look at! :) |
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| Dec-06-05 |
| Chopin: Impressive win over Fischer. It's not surprising to see that Carlos is currently ranked 2550. He simply destroyed Fischer. |
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| May-01-06 |
| Atking: Fischer plaid simply a risky line in a simultanous performance. Not 1.d4 but a King Gambit for our fun. If as patzer2 (who is not) and karlzen noted (Thanks) Fischer had seen 12. ...Nxe4!! he will have play 12.hxBg4 and probably found g3! and Kg2! |
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Sep-19-06
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| technical draw: This is no ordinary amateur Fischer lost to. He later became a GM. |
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Sep-19-06
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| whatthefat: <technical draw>
That's true, but he was only 17 here, and didn't even become an IM for another 10 years. |
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| Dec-03-07 |
| Eggman: 7.dxe4 is the first move of White's that raised an eyebrow from me. A classic example of an open position with a lead in development. |
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| Dec-03-07 |
| RookFile: Well, 12....Nxe4 was a remarkable move. |
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| Dec-03-07 |
| HOTDOG: Garcia Palermo is now competing in the Italian Championship,today he lost against Caruana who has dominated the tournament with 8,5/10(still one game to be played) |
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| Dec-10-08 |
| offramp: Having spent his whole career playing older players, Fischer in the early 70s had a bit of a crisis playing players younger than he. |
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