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Oct-02-13 | | Abdel Irada: <Dillinger: whopping somehow seems right though from the looks of it. the winning percentage is no advertisement for it either..> You mean 11.1% isn't good enough for you?
(Actually, if ever a move gedulterated anyone's game beyond redemption, it must surely be 3. g4?!) ∞ |
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Oct-02-13 | | JohnBoy: White's strategy has its place
Nakamura vs Bacrot, 2013
but showing ones hand by move 3 is a bit too committal. |
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Oct-02-13 | | Cemoblanca: From Ros With Love! ;)
There is a nice proverb in Turkish: "Sağ gösterip sol vurmak!" and that means literally: "Fake somebody!" I think that fits in here especially after 32...Qd3! |
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Oct-02-13 | | madlydeeply: That classical center worked as a lovely knight repellant until move 30. |
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Oct-02-13 | | madlydeeply: <cemoblanca> interesting proverb. "fake" as in "to decieve", or to "imitate"? |
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Oct-02-13 | | Abdel Irada: Once upon a time, I played a Grob-fanatic in Santa Cruz rather regularly in blitz. He originally studied the opening as a surprise weapon, but later adopted it as his constant choice — which, I hinted, rather deprived it of its surprise value. At one point, we were looking over a game which had ended with g4#. This inspired a new suggestion: "As you see, g4 is most effective when it *ends* a game. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that it is least effective when it begins a game, for then it cannot possibly end it. And its likely effectiveness therefore presumably increases on a continuum from first move to last. Therefore, if you want g4 to be an effective move, the worst thing you can do is begin the game with it." Unfortunately, for some reason Steve didn't buy this argument, and for all I know, he is still g4-ing away as I write. ∞ |
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Oct-02-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <Abdel Irada> There are those who claim that 1.g4 ends the game, the rest being but a technical exercise for Black. |
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Oct-02-13 | | Abdel Irada: There are, but I hesitate to agree with them.
Thanks to Steve, I was forced to learn a great deal about the Grob, and I've concluded that it's nowhere near as bad as its reputation. Ugly, to be sure. Compromising to the kingside pawn structure, no doubt. Fishing in troubled waters, to say the least. Even so, I don't believe it can be refuted. At worst, it allows Black to equalize sooner than he might against d4 or e4. At best, it's largely terra incognita for most opponents, a minefield of pitfalls for the ignorant. I liked to heckle Steve for his bizarre opening choice, but I can't honestly say it's a *bad* opening choice, and I predict that we'll see it played at the uppermost levels of chess within a quarter-century. I *may* even live to see it. :-S
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Oct-02-13 | | kevin86: The rook attack didn't work on a file-why not try a rank? |
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Oct-02-13
 | | playground player: <Abdel Irada> If you can sort of live with the Grob, what do you think of 1.b4? |
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Oct-02-13 | | Abdel Irada: The Sokolsky is also playable, although I don't care for some of the positions it leads to. However, others do, and succeed rather well with it, and I won't gainsay them. The fact is, it's probably possible for White to open with any of his 20 legal moves. Black will equalize rapidly against some of them, but with best play, White should not be actually worse. ∞ |
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Oct-02-13 | | Cemoblanca: <madlydeeply> I'll try to translate word-for-word now: "Show right hit left." ;)
And that is what Ros has done. |
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Oct-02-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Fantastic pun. 2 of the best ever in a week or so. |
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Oct-02-13
 | | ajk68: What about 14. Nb3, as an improvement?
I think 14. dxc5 is a major concession of the center. Nb3 forces black to do something with the c5 pawn. Yes it undoubles the pawn, but it has some compensation. This will open the diagonal preventing black from castling. c5 may also make for a decent post of the knight. |
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Oct-02-13
 | | Phony Benoni: I have a slight problem with the pun because this doesn't feel like a Jungle Game to me. A Jungle Game would have danger threatening at every moment from all directions. The pieces would be alive, radiating menace. The loser collapses from the never-ending pressure before being finished off by a hail of javelins penetrating every inch of his position. You know, maybe a Kasparov game.
This game is more of an marial arts film, Brash Young Warrior against Wise Old Master. The Young Warrior leaps in, fists and feet flying in all directions at once. The Wise Old Master hardly seems to move, impercitibly dodging wild threats while slowly building a solid base for future action. The young fellow begins to slow down and the Master slowly moves his base forward, beginning to dominate the arena. By the end, the BYW is colweing in a corner as the WOM methodically moves in for the kill, having hardly landed a serious blow. You know, maybe a Karpov game. |
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Oct-02-13
 | | WannaBe: Worst pun ever, this one tops them, the submitter should be proud. |
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Oct-02-13 | | waustad: Jungle? Huh? Perhaps "From Here to Inanity." |
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Oct-02-13 | | Conrad93: The Grob is refuted by c6. |
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Oct-02-13 | | Conrad93: A refutation does not mean that the opening will result in mate for the player. It means one will get an unfavorable position. |
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Oct-02-13 | | ChessYouGood: The very bold f3 and g4 reminded me of just how hard it is to hold a candle in the cold November Rain. |
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Oct-02-13 | | actinia: white is in zugzwang. any more will lead to a deterioration of his position. materials is even, black is safe, black has great activity, and various threats against a2, b2, and the d pawn promoting |
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Oct-03-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Welcome to the Jungle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8-...
November Rain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbU... |
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Oct-06-13 | | Abdel Irada: <Conrad93: The Grob is refuted by c6.> Ah, the voice of omniscience. :-)
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Mar-02-18 | | areknames: <"As you see, g4 is most effective when it *ends* a game. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that it is least effective when it begins a game, for then it cannot possibly end it. > Actually, g4 can both begin and end a game. If either White's f or h pawn at some stage execute a capture on g3, g4 mate will still be possible. |
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Jul-30-23 | | Messiah: What a terrible opening. |
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