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Alexander Alekhine vs NN
"The Harem" (game of the day Aug-05-2006)
Moscow (1915), Moscow RUS
French Defense: McCutcheon. Grigoriev Variation (C12)  ·  1-0
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Dec-31-12
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  Benzol: This is my <9000th> post and an early one for 2013 so for a pointer to more "doctored" Alyekhin games I suggest you look at <Calli>'s Game Collection: Meine Besten Gefälschten Partien

:)

Dec-31-12
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  Jim Bartle: Great collection by Calli!
Jan-01-13
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  FSR: Six queens were on the board at once in E Szalanczy vs Thi Mai Hung Nguyen, 2009.
Jan-11-13  hscer: Can I ask a favor? Anyone know of a game with a lot of queens--or otherwise interesting promotions--that hasn't been GOTD? I think it would have been best for this particular game given its mysterious circumstances, but how about the pun "Promotional Stunt"?
Jan-11-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <hscer> There are many collections of games assembled by kibitzers with multiple promotions or underpromotions. These two won't tell you which have been GOTDs, but you'll have some examples to look at:

Game Collection: polygamy or what's an extra Q among friends?

Game Collection: Hey, Martha! Where's the Other Chess Set?

As for underpromotions, here are some collections for you to look at:

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Jan-11-13  hscer: <Phony Benoni> thanks
May-16-14
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  Capacorn: <LIFE Master AJ: This is from GM Andrew Soltis's very fine book, "The 100 Best." (Page 12) After MANY pages of discussion of the various methods that he used to evaluate the games for his book, he gives us the following paragraph: "One further criteria should be obvious: A game has to be real. Adams-Torre, New Orleans, 1920; with its multiple queen sacrifices and last-rank mating tactics, is one of the classics of chess literature. But it is almost certainly a fake."

Whoa! Let me stop you there, sir. Where's the documentation? (I have never seen it. And I cover this topic - in some depth - on my web page for Adams-Torre.)

He concludes his paragraph by writing:
"Alexander Alekhine's infamous five-queens game with Nikolai Grigoriev was debunked long ago...">

The Alekhine game certainly seems composed, but, for what it's worth, I agree that Adams-Torre is certainly plausible enough that one would require strong evidence to assert that it's fake. There are plenty of real games one would have doubts about if it weren't for documentation. Would they cease to be real if there were no official record?

May-16-14
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  Petrosianic: In the case of Grigoriev-Alekhine, I believe they found the smoking gun, in the form of a 1913 game, in which Alekhine was <White>, and he gave the Grigoriev game in his margin notes as a "fantastic line" that might have been played.
May-16-14
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  Capacorn: <Petrosianic: In the case of Grigoriev-Alekhine, I believe they found the smoking gun, in the form of a 1913 game, in which Alekhine was <White>, and he gave the Grigoriev game in his margin notes as a "fantastic line" that might have been played.>

O, the flights of fancy that magnificent chess mind must have enjoyed....

Jan-30-15  welhelm1982: If i steel remember i had read this game about 10 years ago in old book and nn was reshevsky or janovsky
Jan-30-15  Albion 1959: Is this not the infamous game in which this was not a real game, but one where Alekhine composed the moves beforehand ? and beside who is the mysterious NN anyway ?
Jan-31-15  aliejin: For me it is much harder to believe
a game between Alekhine and Capablanca in championship world ended checkmate with 4 queens on the board .... and yet, it happened! (Ok, Capalanca left a few plays before unavoidable mate)
Jun-10-15  Howard: But did Alekhine have a forced win at any point in this "game" ?
Jun-11-15  Howard: Still wondering.....
Jun-11-15  Howard: Just looked up a file of Alekhine's games, featuring corrections.

Apparently if Alekhine had simply queened his pawn on the 20th move, he would have won.

Comments ?

Oct-10-15  Helios727: If black played 24... Bg4+ (threatening Rxg8) would white still have a quick win or would he have to trade down and do the slow grind?
Dec-03-15  MariusDaniel: Alexander Alekhine played a beautiful game of chess.Great skills!!
Dec-20-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  thegoodanarchist: AA was tough enough with one queen. Allowing him two more was just suicide.
Jul-05-16
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  Johnnysaysthankyou: I believe by all accounts that I would have no trouble finding Rh6. Such a move is more fitting of Tal than Alekhine.
Jul-05-16  AlicesKnight: I have not read all the posts on this strange game, but I just wondered (IF it were genuine): In his "Best games 1908-23" Alekhine notes "... a game played by the author..." and continues with the 5Q game in the annotations. Could it be that he left the above note unclear because he (Alekhine) had been BLACK in the game? Odd of course if so - his only loss in his 2 volumes....
Oct-28-16  The Kings Domain: Fun and unique game.
Dec-04-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  thegoodanarchist: 24.Rh6! leaves the king's bishop en pris.

But who needs a bishop when you have three queens! Three!

Aug-26-17  The Kings Domain: What a game. Truly one of a kind.
Aug-26-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <just a kid: 15...Bf8! is better than 15...Qxa2> I went through the game and stopped at 15. Ke2

Noticed in a few secs that 15... Qa6 16. Kd2 Qa5 17. Ke2 leads to repetition.

To my surprise SF suggested 15... Bf8

A positional move 16. gf8 Bf8 and Black seems to have a good game.

However, after 17. h7 Qc3 18. Kd1 Nc6 it leads to a comparable repetition 10 moves later:

19. Bb5 Qf6 20. Nf3 Rh8 21. Qg8 Ke7 22. Qg3 Qc3 23. Bc6 bc6 24. Qc7 Bd7 25. Ne5 Qd4 26. Ke2 Qe4 27. Kd2 Qd4 28. Ke2 Qe4

Aug-26-17  waustad: The 5 queens reminds me of the Eva Moser game https://www.365chess.com/game.php?g...
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