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|Sep-25-11|| ||euderlevi: Bxe3?? Qd8++.|
|Apr-04-12|| ||Llawdogg: Just-a-kid is correct, instead of 15 ... Qxa2?, 15 ... Bf8! stops all the madness. But that wouldn't be any fun, would it?|
|Apr-14-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: This is from GM Andrew Soltis's very fine book, "The 100 Best." (Page 12) |
After MANY pages of discussion of the various methods that he used to evaluate the games for his book, he gives us the following paragraph:
"One further criteria should be obvious: A game has to be real. Adams-Torre, New Orleans, 1920; with its multiple queen sacrifices and last-rank mating tactics, is one of the classics of chess literature. But it is almost certainly a fake."
Whoa! Let me stop you there, sir. Where's the documentation? (I have never seen it. And I cover this topic - in some depth - on my web page for Adams-Torre.)
He concludes his paragraph by writing:
"Alexander Alekhine's infamous five-queens game with Nikolai Grigoriev was debunked long ago. Enough doubts have been raised about the sacrifice-studded Botvinnik-Chekover, Moscow, 1935; to disqualify it."
I agree with Soltis about the Alekhine game, I remember writing an article (myself) about this long ago ... and Winter even thoroughly dissected this topic, as well. And I am aware that a few GM's have cast doubts on Botvinnik's masterpiece, one Soviet GM claimed to have seen those two rehearse this whole affair before hand. However - for me, anyway - its one thing to state/say that a game was a fake, it’s a whole different matter to prove it.
My article on this game ... with links to other articles, as well.
|May-02-12|| ||schnarre: ...Good analysis vulcan20!|
|May-15-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Alekhine vs NN, 1915.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF ALEKHINE.
Your score: 54 (par = 46)
|May-31-12|| ||KKsystem: I've played many queen games online, but two that really gave me fun was when 7 queen's appeared over the board although not at the same time. I think I had them saved in my played games database. I'll show it here when i find them!|
|Jun-01-12|| ||KKsystem: Here is one of the seven queen games that I have played.|
[White "My Opponent"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Be7 6.d4 Na5 7.Nxe5 Nxc4 8.Nxc4 d5 9.exd5 Qxd5 10.Ne3 Qa5 11.Bd2 Nf6 12.c4 Bb4 13.O-O O-O 14.Bxb4 Qxb4 15.Qb3 Qd6 16.Rd1 c5 17.d5 b6 18.Nc3 Bd7 19.a4 Rfe8 20.Nb5 Qe5 21.a5 a6 22.Nc3 bxa5 23.Rxa5 Ng4 24.Ne2 Qxh2+ 25.Kf1 Qh1+ 26.Ng1 Nxe3+ 27.fxe3 h5 28.Rxc5 Re5 29.Kf2 Qh4+ 30.Ke2 Bg4+ 31.Nf3 Bxf3+ 32.gxf3 Qh2+ 33.Kd3 Rae8 34.e4 Qg2 35.Kd4 Rxe4+ 36.fxe4 Qxe4+ 37.Kc3 Qe3+ 38.Rd3 Qxc5 39.Qb4 Qg1 40.Qb2 h4 41.d6 Re3 42.Qb8+ Kh7 43.Qc7 h3 44.d7 h2 45.d8=Q Queen number 3 45...h1=Q Queen number 4 46.Rxe3 Qxe3+ 47.Qd3+ Qxd3+ 48.Kxd3 Qd1+ 49.Ke4 Qe2+ 50.Kd5 f5 51.c5 Qe4+ 52.Kd6 Qf4+ 53.Kc6 Qxc7+ 54.Kxc7 f4 55.Kb7 f3 56.c6 f2 57.c7 f1=Q Queen number 5 58.c8=Q Queen number 6 58...Qb1+ 59.Ka7 Qg1+ 60.Kxa6 Qa1+ 61.Kb6 Qb2+ 62.Ka5 Qa3+ 63.Kb5 Qb3+ 64.Ka5 Kh6 65.Qg4 Qa3+ 66.Kb5 Qe7 67.Kc4 Qf7+ 68.Kd3 Qg6+ 69.Qxg6+ Kxg6 70.Ke3 Kg5 71.Kf3 Kh4 72.Kg2 Kg4 73.Kh2 Kf3 74.Kg1 Kg3 75.Kf1 g5 76.Kg1 g4 77.Kh1 Kf2 78.Kh2 g3+ 79.Kh1 g2+ 80.Kh2 g1=Q+ Queen number 7 and my opponent resigned as after 81. Kh3 Qg5 82. Kh2 Qg2 is checkmate! 0-1
|Jun-04-12|| ||KKsystem: And here is the second 7 queen game I have played.
[White "My Opponent"]
1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 Nf6 3.Nf3 e6 4.Nbd2 Be7 5.e3 h6 6.Bh4 O-O 7.Bd3 c5 8.c3 Nc6 9.O-O c4 10.Bc2 Ng4 11.Bg3 Bd6 12.h3 Bxg3 13.hxg4 Bd6 14.g3 e5 15.dxe5 Nxe5 16.Nxe5 Bxe5 17.f4 Bd6 18.Nf3 Bxg4 19.Qxd5 Bxf3 20.Rxf3 Qc7 21.e4 Qb6+ 22.Kg2 Qxb2 23.Qd1 b6 24.e5 Bc5 25.Rb1 Qa3 26.f5 Rad8 27.Qe2 Qxa2 28.f6 g6 29.Rh1 Rd5 30.Rxh6 Rxe5 31.Qxe5 Qxc2+ 32.Kh3 Qd1 33.Kg4 Qc1 34.Rh2 Qg1 35.Re2 a5 36.Qg5 Qh1 37.Re1 Qh5+ 38.Qxh5 gxh5+ 39.Kxh5 b5 40.Re5 Rc8 41.g4 b4 42.Rg5+ Kf8 43.Rg7 b3 44.Rh7 Ke8 45.g5 b2 46.Rf1 a4 47.Re1+ Kd7 48.Rxf7+ Kc6 49.Re6+ Kd5 50.Re1 a3 51.Rd7+ Kc6 52.Rdd1 a2 53.g6 Rb8 54.g7 b1=Q The first pawn promotion and the third Queen to appear on the board. 55.Rxb1 axb1=Q A pawn capture and promotion makes way for the fourth Queen in the game. 56.Rxb1 Rxb1 57.g8=Q And the fifth Queen this time by way of my opponent's pawn promotion. 57...Rh1+ 58.Kg6 Rg1+ 59.Kf7 Rxg8 60.Kxg8 Kd5 61.f7 Ke4 62.f8=Q My opponent promotes another pawn for the sixth Queen. 62...Bxf8 63.Kxf8 Kd3 64.Ke7 Kxc3 65.Kd6 Kd4 66.Kc6 c3 67.Kd6 c2 68.Ke6 c1=Q 0-1 And finally the last pawn and the seventh Queen is here and my opponent resigned as mate is inevitable!
Since playing this 2 games the most number of queen's I have played has been 4 at the most 2 each for me and my opponent.
|Sep-25-12|| ||Conrad93: Doesn't 20.Qfxe7+ Nxf7 21.Qxe7+ Kb6 22.Rh6+ Qd8+ also win the game?|
It's far more aggressive than Reti's alternative.
|Sep-25-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Could you please try to write your variation with legal moves so we can look at it?|
|Sep-25-12|| ||perfidious: <Jim> Now there's a thought.....|
|Sep-29-12|| ||Conrad93: Nxe7*
You could have figured that out, instead of being idiots.
|Sep-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Who's the idiot here, Mr. "I'm here to learn"?
It's more than just Nxe7. The second queen is on f4, so can't capture on e7 as you have white's move 21.
|Sep-29-12|| ||Conrad93: Then fix it yourself.|
|Sep-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Here's an idea: Why not try to be competent from the start?|
|Sep-29-12|| ||Conrad93: Jim how about this? Try using your head and fix it yourself.|
You knew what the proper variation was, but chose instead to whine and complain.
Stop acting like a child and put your big boy pants on.
|Sep-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Not worthy of a serious reply.|
|Sep-29-12|| ||Conrad93: Actually it is, because you spend several posts complaining about something that you could have easily fixed yourself.|
Instead you chose to start a rant on a forum.
If this site had less users like you, everyone would be better off.
|Nov-26-12|| ||Tigranny: This is a fake game I think.|
|Dec-31-12|| ||Benzol: This is my <9000th> post and an early one for 2013 so for a pointer to more "doctored" Alyekhin games I suggest you look at <Calli>'s Game Collection: Meine Besten Gefälschten Partien|
|Dec-31-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Great collection by Calli!|
|Jan-01-13|| ||FSR: Six queens were on the board at once in E Szalanczy vs Thi Mai Hung Nguyen, 2009.|
|Jan-11-13|| ||hscer: Can I ask a favor? Anyone know of a game with a lot of queens--or otherwise interesting promotions--that hasn't been GOTD? I think it would have been best for this particular game given its mysterious circumstances, but how about the pun "Promotional Stunt"?|
|Jan-11-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <hscer> There are many collections of games assembled by kibitzers with multiple promotions or underpromotions. These two won't tell you which have been GOTDs, but you'll have some examples to look at:|
Game Collection: polygamy or what's an extra Q among friends?
Game Collection: Hey, Martha! Where's the Other Chess Set?
As for underpromotions, here are some collections for you to look at:
Game Collection Search
|Jan-11-13|| ||hscer: <Phony Benoni> thanks|
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