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Aug-05-06
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| kevin86: What a game! True or not-a great piece of whimsy as well as a piece of chess history. |
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Aug-05-06
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| tpstar: "It is a mark of Alekhine's sovereignty in this extraordinary position, with so many Queens to cope with, that he should choose the quiet move 24. Rh6 to pin the Knight, the best move on the board. "Alekhine himself gave this game in his book MY BEST GAMES, in fact, although it was originally really only an annotation by him to his game with Grigoriev in 1915 (Alekhine was Black) showing the variation that he *would* *have* played (as Black) if White had played 11. gxh4 instead of 11. O-O-O. 11 castling in fact also led Grigoriev into a lost game with resignation on move 26." ASM Dickins & H Ebert, "100 Classics of the Chessboard" * = italics |
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Aug-05-06
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| Skoosh: I enjoyed going through it; fabricated or not! |
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Aug-05-06
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| RandomVisitor: <aragorn69>Here is what Rybka thinks:
1: Alekhine Alexander - NN, Moscow 1915
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 2.1c mp:
1. ² (0.65): 24.Rh6 Bg4+ 25.Qgxg4 Bxe3 26.Qxe3+ Qc5 27.Qxc5+ Kxc5 28.Kg2 Qe4+ 29.Qxe4 dxe4 30.Rh5+ Kb6 2. ³ (-0.27): 24.Qxd5 Qbd1+ 25.Qxd1 Qxd1+ 26.Ne2 Bxe3 27.Qxe3+ Kc7 28.Qf4+ Qd6 29.Rh6 Qxf4+ 30.Nxf4 Kb6 (, 05.08.2006)
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| Nov-16-06 |
| Tenderfoot: Now that I look at this game again, why would NN not take the pawn on g7 for his 8th move? I mean, that's so obviously going to be a problem later in the game (like it turned out to be), I don't see why someone would put off taking care of that. |
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| Jan-13-07 |
| syracrophy: I think that after 24. h6  e4+! 25.fxe4 xe4+ 26.xe4 dxe4+ 27. xe4  f5+ and 28...xg8 seems to be better for Black |
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Jul-07-07
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| notyetagm: <THE pawn: Now what the hell is THAT??? 24 Rh6!? Don't know for you guys, but that was a hell of a move. comparable to Kasparov's Rxd4 or Fisher's Be6. ( you must know what I'm talking about) the down side of this move is that the rest of the game is not as awsome as the immortals of the guys above.> You sure are right about that.
Position after 23 ... b2-b1=
click for larger viewIn this position of mind-bending complexity, with the 5(!) queens on the board, the winning move does not involve any of the ladies! The winning move involves the White King's rook(!), and it is 24 h1-h6!!. Position after 24 h1-h6!! 
click for larger viewHow Alekhine ever thought of this winning idea, with the 5(!) queens on the board, is beyond me. Alekhine does not move any of his 3(!) queens which are in play, he develops his undeveloped h1-rook. Remarkable.
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Jul-07-07
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| ganstaman: <Tenderfoot: Now that I look at this game again, why would NN not take the pawn on g7 for his 8th move?> A very late response, but maybe someone else will be wondering too: I think that getting rid of the pawn is important, but somehow it seems that Alekhine found it better to spend that time developing an attack (in the real version of this). Amazing that it didn't there become a threat. However, for those of us not insane or at the WC level, we can play ...Qf6, preparing to capture the pawn on g7. Ok, wait, move numbers matter. We can't take the g7 pawn on move 8 because that allows white to get a passed h-pawn. So we have to play 8...gxh4. Then after 9. Qg4, the g7 pawn is guarded, so we can play 9...Qf6 and then get that pawn. Like this: F C Major vs Sliwa, 1944 |
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| Jul-07-07 |
| ounos: I think I've read somewhere an analysis showing a (rather impossible to see) refutation of Rh6. (And it did said that the game was a fabrication - Alekhine found the position before Rh6 himself and was so amazed by the Rh6 idea -missing the refutation- that made it a game. That's the story I read, I repeat it here as anectodal). |
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Jul-07-07
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| SwitchingQuylthulg: <ounos> Well, such an analysis (and story) can be seen for example here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess/a... |
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Jul-07-07
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| ganstaman: Or even here: Alekhine vs NN, 1915.... |
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| Jul-07-07 |
| ounos: <SwitchingQuylthulg> thanks, that was the source I was trying to refer to.
<ganstaman> ;-)
(Just viewing the last page of kibitzing, that is) |
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| Nov-30-08 |
| WhiteRook48: Why ...Qxf1??? Black should've played ...Bxe3!!!. But then again, NN was so intent of grabbing the f1-Bishop that he didn't see he had a better move.
(NOT, since the game never happened. I wonder how this fantasy got into the database?) |
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| Nov-30-08 |
| Jim Bartle: Three queens make for a powerful attack. Who knew?? |
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| Dec-01-08 |
| WhiteRook48: White King: "I'm confused. Which one of you is my wife?"
First Queen: "me"
Second Queen: "You're wrong me"
Third Queen: "No I'm the wife!"
King: "uh-oh..."
Black King: "Who's mine?" |
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| Dec-22-08 |
| WhiteRook48: None of the Bishops captured anything. Is that because they are priests? |
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| Dec-23-08 |
| WhiteRook48: 23...b1Q? I'm questioning this because it might be better to 23...Bxe3 getting rid of one of white's queen and play b1Q later. |
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| Jan-11-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 17. hxg8Q+ was probably Alekhine's winning move. |
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| Jan-20-09 |
| WhiteRook48: What gets me is some analysis points out that 24. Rh6 does not win. |
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| Jan-31-09 |
| WhiteRook48: NN was just no match for Alekhine in this game |
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| Jun-21-09 |
| pom nasayao: This must be the only game on record which has 5 queens fiercely covering ground on board. |
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Jun-30-09
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| just a kid: 15...Bf8! is better than 15...Qxa2 |
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| Oct-16-09 |
| Cercatore: I never see a game with 5 Queens... amazing! |
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| Oct-26-09 |
| vulcan20: WhiteRook48, after 24...Bxe3 25. Qxe3+, Black has four replies, all of which lose by force: 25...Qc5 26. Qd8#
25...Ka5 26. Qa3+ Qa4(26...Kb6 27. Qd8#) 27. Qxd5+ 25...d4 26. Qxd4+ Ka5 27. Qgd5+ with mate to follow
25...Kc7 26. Qg3+ with mate in two |
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| Oct-26-09 |
| vulcan20: <I think that after 24.h6 e4+! 25.fxe4 xe4+ 26.xe4 dxe4+ 27.xe4 f5+ and 28...xg8 seems to be better for Black> Very nice find, but simply 27. Kf4! gives White a winning position |
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