| Apr-30-04 | | mkochhal: Any ideas why did Saleh gave up on the 15th move ?? |
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| Apr-30-04 | | shr0pshire: White has an incredible position. Black's kingside is open, and white will probably play Qh5 on the next move and threaten mate. The position is very grim for black because of the blunder, 11. ...Bb7?!. The other games that are played along this line suggest, 1. ...Nbd2. This protects the other knight, and allows black to get out of the pin. |
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| May-01-04 | | ravrdj: black gave up because checkmate was only a couple of moves away |
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| May-01-04 | | notsodeepthought: Not sure black is done for (yet). 15 ... Qd5 forces white to protect g2, and either 16 Bf1 or 16 f3 would be followed by 16 ... f4 with the idea of 17 ... Qf5. White does have a better position, but does he really have a forced win? |
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| May-04-04 | | AlexKearns: <notsodeepthought>
You need to think a bit deeper about this! To 15...Qd5, white can play 16 Be4. If 16... pxe4, 17 Qh5 and black must give up his queen or get mated.Perhaps black should have played 14... Qf4 rather than f5. What do u think? |
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| May-04-04 | | notsodeepthought: <AlexKearns> I still don't see why 17 Qh5 wins in your line, why not 17 ... Qf5? Maybe there is an obvious answer, but I refuse to think deeply about this, as a matter of principle... |
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| May-04-04 | | MoonlitKnight: I don't think the sacrifice Be4 is called upon. White is noe hurry, as black cannot stop the threat of Qh5. Simply 15.Bf1 will do. I think the reason black resigned is that 15...h6 fails to 16.Qh5 (16...hxg5 17.Qxg5+ and Re3 mates or wins queen in a few moves.) 16...Kg7 17.Re3, and black is forced to to all sorts of horrible moves to get away from the mating threats. |
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| May-04-04 | | notsodeepthought: <MoonlitKnight> Good point about ... h6, though in that case after Bf1 black should play, for example, ... f4, and if now Qh5, then ... Qf5 (with the idea of ... Qg6 at the following move). |
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| May-05-04 | | AlexKearns: <notsodeepthoght>
It looks like I am the one who should be thinking deeper. I missed Qf5 in my calculations. My defence? Too many magic mushrooms and a very average ability! Next time I'll think more before I open my mouth. |
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| May-05-04 | | AlexKearns: <notsodeepthought>Okay, I have had a think now. To 15..Qd5, 16 Bf1 f4, can't white play 17 Re5, attacking the queen, with 18 Qh5 to follow. Looks won to me but, as you already know, I am far from infallable. Perhaps, instead of 16...f4, black could try Nd7 with the aim of Nf6 defending the h porn. What do youreckon to that |
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| May-05-04 | | notsodeepthought: <AlexKearns> I can relate very well both to mushrooms and to average ability (unfortunately). You will have to tell me more about the magic bit. I also think you are right about 17 Re5, so 16 ... f4 doesn't work. 16 ... Nd7 looks better, but after 17 Qh5 Nf6 18 Qh6 Qe7 (or Qd8) 19 Re3, it looks really bad for black. Oh well... perhaps Saleh was right in saving himself further trouble. |
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