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Axel Lindstrom vs Siegbert Tarrasch
"Mirror Mirror" (game of the day Nov-08-2007)
Skivarp free games (1911), rd 3
Four Knights Game: Spanish. Symmetrical Variation (C49)  ·  0-1
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Nov-08-07  CapablancaFan: Symmetry games can be dangerous if one does not know when to break. Tarrasch's 12...Bh5 was great. White gets over ambitious and extends himself too much 13.g4?. After that Tarrasch dosen't have too much difficulty. This game reminds me of Capablanca vs NN, 1918 In that game the player copied Capa's moves...too bad for him, LOL!
Nov-08-07  Aspirador: Symmetry games are no real games because the gamers have no game. A game is only a game if both play a game. But if one plays the game and the other plays the same game, then neither really has game. Therefore, no game!
Nov-08-07
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  al wazir: What if white had just played 29. h3, instead of being in such a hurry to recapture the ♙? 29...Re4+ 30. Kd2 R1e8 31. Rxf3 Re2+ 32. Kc1. Now what? If 32...Rh2, then 33. Rf7+ Kh6 34. Rxb7. If 32...Re1+, then 33. Rxe1 Rxe1+ 34. Kd2. Where's the win?
Nov-08-07  xeroxmachine: I tried the symmetrical strategy against a compoter after da symmetry was broken the compoter acually calculated a slight advantage for me:

1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 g6 4. b3 b6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. d4 d5 7. cxd5 cxd4 8. Nxd4 Nxd5 9. Qd2 Qd7 10. Bb2 Bb7 11. Nf3 Nf6 12. O-O O-O 13. Rd1 Rd8 14. Qxd7 Nbxd7 15. Nbd2 Rac8

But of course it wouldnt work with an e4-opening.

Nov-08-07  Sularus: <xeroxmachine> i bet this is your kind of game, man!
Nov-08-07  Open Defence: this says Skivarp free games 1911 ... what is Skivarp free games ?
Nov-08-07  Confuse: wow what the heck? was this an experiment? tarrasch doesn't seem like the type to mirror moves... or maybe he does. o _ O
Nov-08-07  Aspirador: <Skivarp free games> is a software company founded by Dr. Siegbert Tarrasch.
Nov-08-07  sallom89: to me it doesn't deserve to be the game of the day...
Nov-08-07
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  Phony Benoni: Skivarp appears to be a town in Sweden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skurup...

I take <free game> to mean an offhand game, one played in casual cirumstances rather than a comeptition.

Nov-08-07
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  patzer2: <al wazir> I think you're right! After the simple 29. h3 =, instead of 29. Rxf3? dropping a pawn, White should hold the draw.
Nov-08-07
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  Peligroso Patzer: The timing of White's resignation seems odd. Not only did it come with Black on move, but the last move played by White (33. b4) did not cause any perceptible deterioratrion in his position.

My guess is that the game was adjourned after White's 33rd move [the modern standard of first time control after move 40 not having been established when this game was played (1911)], and, based on adjournment analysis, White chose to resign rather than play out a difficult endgame against a player of Tarrasch's strength.

Nov-08-07  Judah: Funny, I played a game like this as Black not so long ago. The first nine moves were the same (with a minor variation: he started with the Four Knights instead of the Spanish); then move 10 was Nd5 Nd4. At that point he should have had the advantage (by doing what I did instead) but instead he wasted time with 11.c3. Play continued ...Nxf3 12. gxf3 Bh3, and I eventually won the game.
Nov-08-07  King mega: That is too long for symetrical!
Nov-08-07  Duque Roquero: Another surprise for an imitator. Traxler vs J Samanek, 1900
Nov-08-07
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  kevin86: Tarrasch knew quite enough to not COPY his opponents mistakes.

Eventually white should win all copy games because he could create a position that is impossible to copy-mate,capture,etc.

Nov-08-07  Jack Kerouac: I like unbalanced symmetry.
Nov-08-07
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  Chessmensch: I agree with <sallom89>. This is an interesting curiosity but hardly a GOTD.
Nov-08-07  JG27Pyth: The resignation seems premature. Is the calculation to 0-1 easy for a master here, or is it just a case of not having the will to play out a difficult ending against a strong opponent, like Tarrasch?
Nov-08-07
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  whiteshark: This game was played 24th May 1911.

In the essay <Tarrasch i Sverige> Sthig Jonasson wrote after 33.♙b4:

utan att invänta svarts drag gav vit upp (Sic!). (0–1)

Partiet spelades dock i ytterligare tjugo drag "för övningens skull" och avslutades först när svart fått två fribönder på kungsflygeln.

http://www.jora.info/essayer/tarras...

Nov-08-07
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  Infohunter: <whiteshark:utan att invänta svarts drag gav vit upp (Sic!). (0–1)

Partiet spelades dock i ytterligare tjugo drag "för övningens skull" och avslutades först när svart fått två fribönder på kungsflygeln.>

Well--if you put it THAT way...

Seriously, here is an English translation for all <cg> members not conversant in Swedish:

"Without waiting for Black's move, White resigned (Sic!). (0-1)

"The game, however, was played an additional twenty moves 'for the sake of the exercise' and ended only when Black got two passed Pawns on the King's wing."

I THINK I got that right. If not, let anyone feel free to inform me thereof.

Nov-08-07
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  Marmot PFL: Tarrasch would certainly win this ending but I might play it out anyway just to observe his technique. As black he ould play g5, h5, Rf4, and Kf6 then create a passed pawn. Anything white might attempt on the queen side seems way to slow and his rook has no active possibilities.
Nov-08-07
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  Marmot PFL: <al wazir:> Good find, maybe be Tarrasch could improve with 28...Kh6 and Kg5 instead of rushing to take on f3
Feb-29-08  D.Observer: Why did Tarrasch broke the mirror with 13. ... Bh5?
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