|May-10-04|| ||Elrathia Kingi: Even against NN, this is a pretty mate. Of course, the game is essentially lost from 6...Na6. |
|May-10-04|| ||TrueFiendish: Chessgames: it's a minor point, but would white's a-pawn have been on a3, which is/was the convention in rook odds games? |
|May-10-04|| ||chessgames.com: That's not how it was submitted. |
|May-10-04|| ||iron maiden: A-pawn on a3? I never heard anything like that, even for rook-odds games. What's supposed to be the purpose? |
|May-10-04|| ||TrueFiendish: So that the a-pawn has natural protection at the start of the game, as it would have if the rook were present. I swear it's common practice, or was. |
|May-10-04|| ||weary willy: I think True is right - have a look at some collection of Morphy's games ... don't know if it was *always* the case tho' |
|May-10-04|| ||TrueFiendish: weary, maiden et al: I guess the idea is that the lack of protection of the a-pawn should not become an issue strategically or tactically, thereby somewhat spoiling the point of the odds play. I dunno. |
|May-10-04|| ||Honza Cervenka: By the way, not all, but majority of Tarrasch's Rook odds games published in his Dreihundert Schachpartien were played with Pawn on a3. Steinitz played his Rook odds games usually with a-Pawn on a2. |
|May-10-04|| ||kevin86: Rook odds with pawn on a3-just a matter of taste-lack of protection?
The queen's knight is also unprotected,nothing is done about that.|
White giving up his queen at h5,what a hoot! I know how bad black was when Steinitz captured the pawn at e5 and got away with it! That is usually a taboo in KG.
|May-10-04|| ||aragorn69: Pillsbury may have played the exact same combination in 1901. Or he may not...|
See C.N. 3288 : http://www.chesscafe.com/winter/win...
|May-10-04|| ||somethingstrong: Generally, I've seen with studies, traps, NN games, etc. how one, possibly two poor moves can be punished enough to clinch a game. This game is ridiculous though. Black shuffles pieces around, oblivious to every threat. It's difficult to glean insight from a game with one side playing suboptimal moves the entire game! |
|May-10-04|| ||TrueFiendish: kevin86: the queen's knight is not protected but the chances of that playing any significant part are pretty infinitesimal. |
|May-11-04|| ||kevin86: Just kidding-after all,in the regular set-up both rooks are unprotected,right?|
Like everything around that time-style was big.
|May-11-04|| ||TrueFiendish: kevin86: true, but that's the original set-up. My (somewhat erroneous) presumption was that the idea with odds was to create a situation as similar as possible to typical chess play but with less material, so black isn't going to get, for instance, the chance to go Qa5+ and Qxa2. I thought the pawn on a3 thing was the rule but, as you pointed out earlier, it's probably a question of taste. |