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| Jun-10-04 | | dac1990: I think Black was afraid of 19.Rg1. |
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| Jun-10-04 | | masterwojtek: <chessgames.com> How can someone become a "Full Member" and have a icon next to its comments etc? |
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Jun-10-04
 | | Gypsy: <AlexKearns: The hard bit of the puzzle for me was not 22 Rxg7 but finding 26 Rg5+. ...> Not just for you, <Alex>. Finding 26.Rg5+ is hard; probably because 26.Nf6+ is just sooo obvious. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | pawnQueenblack: sumitro;Why not 18. ..R x f8? [18...Rxf8 19.Bf4! Ng3 20.Rhg1! Nxe4 (20...Nh5 21.Rg5!) 21.Nxe4 Qxa2 = |
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Aug-28-10
 | | sevenseaman: A different kind of smother mate. |
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Jun-21-12
 | | andrewjsacks: Key move #24. Beautiful combination and an object lesson in active versus out-of-play pieces. |
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Jun-21-12
 | | Patriot: I'm going to say 23.Rxg7+ is the answer.
23...Kxg7 24.Rg1+ Kh6 (24...Kh8 25.Be5+ f6 26.Bxf6#) 25.Bf4+ Kh5 26.Rg5+ Kh4 (26...Kh6 27.Ra5+ ) 27.Rg4+ Kh5 (27...Kxh3 28.Nf2#) 28.Ng3# So, 23...Kh8 is forced. Here, I think 24.Rdg1 is the way to proceed. The tempting 24.Be5 fails to 24...Qa1+ 25.Kd2 Rd8+. 26.Nd6? Rxd6+ 27.Bxd6 Qa6 28.Be5 f6. Oh well, it's late again! |
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Jun-21-12
 | | Patriot: Wow...I considered 24.Rg8+ Kxg8 25.Rg1+ Kh8 26.Be5+ and mates next. So I knew 24...Rxg8 was forced but for some strange reason I didn't see 25.Be5+ Rg7 26.Rd8#! |
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Jun-21-12
 | | sevenseaman: Looks a much less complicated affair today.
23. Rxg7+ Kxg7 24. Rg1+
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24...Kh6 25. Bf5+ Kh5 26. Rg5+ Kh4 27. Rg4+ Kxh3 (or Kh5) 28. Nc7 (or Nc3)# 1-0 ii)
24...Kh8 25. Be5+ f6 26. Bxf6# 1-0 |
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Jun-21-12
 | | sevenseaman: Hmm... its different; or just too early a resignation? <Patriot> I hope, with your nose for scenting trouble, you discover no catches today. |
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Jun-21-12
 | | M.Hassan: "Medium" White to play 23.?
White has a R+N+B for Q+2pawns
23.Rxg7+
<if...Kxg7 24.Rg1+ Qh8 25.Be5+ f6 26.Bxf6#> 23...............Kh8
24.Rg8+! Rxg8
25.Be5+ f6
26.Bxf6+ Rg7
27.Rd8# |
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Jun-21-12
 | | M.Hassan: That's right, no catches today <sevenseaman> |
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Jun-21-12
 | | SuperPatzer77: <sevenseaman : ...27. Rg4+ Kxh3 (or Kh5) 28. Nc7 (or Nc3)# 1-0> <sevenseaman> You made a typo - the correct moves should be 28. Nf2# (or Nf6#) SuperPatzer77 |
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| Jun-21-12 | | Djoker: <M.Hassan 27.Rd8#> should rather be 27.Rd8+ Qg8
28.Rxg8+ Kxg8
29.Bxg7 Kxg7
With a knight up.
Am I missing something? Is there some other forced line? |
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| Jun-21-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Awesome puzzle!
<23. Rxg7 Kxg7>
[23...Kh8 24. Rg8+! Rxg8 (24...Kxg8 25. Rg1+ Kh8 26. Be5+ f6 27. Bxf6#) 25. Be5+ f6 26. Bxf6+ Rg7 27. Rd8+ Qg8 28. Bxg7+ Kxg7 29. Rxg8+ Kxg8 30. Nd6 b6 31. Nc8 ] <24. Rg1+ Kh6>
(24...Kh8 25. Be5+ f6 26. Bxf6#)
<25. Bf4+ Kh5 26. Rg5+! Kh4> (26...Kh6 27. Rg4+ Kh5 28. Nf6#)
<27. Rg4+! Kxh3>
(27...Kh5 28. Nf6#)
<28. Nf2#>
LTJ |
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| Jun-21-12 | | rilkefan: I found the Kxg7 line harder. |
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| Jun-21-12 | | TheBish: P Moran vs E Franco, 1955 White to play (23.?) "Medium"
Think I must have seen this before.
23. Rxg7+! Kh8
Otherwise it's a mate in five: 23...Kxg7 24. Rg1+ Kh6 (24...Kh8 25. Be5+ f6 26. Bxf6# is a quicker end) 25. Bf4+ Kh5 26. Rg5+ Kh4 (or 26...Kh6 27. Rg4+ Kh5 28. Nf6#) 27. Rg4+ Kxh3 (or 27...Kh5 28. Nf6#) 28. Nf2#. 24. Rg8+!! Rxg8
If 24...Kxg8 25. Rg1+ transposes to the quick finish above. 25. Be5+ f6 26. Bxf6+ Rg7 27. Rd8+ Qg8
At first I thought it was mate here, forgetting that 25...f6 opened the diagonal for Black's queen. 28. Bxg7+ Kxg7 29. Rxg8+ Kxg8 and White is a piece up. Awesome mating patterns! |
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Jun-21-12
 | | agb2002: White has a rook, a bishop and a knight for a queen and two pawns. Black threatens 23... Qa1+ 24.Kd2 Qxb2.
The first idea that comes to mind is 23.Rxg7+, taking advantage of the defenseless black castle: A) 23... Rxg7 24.Rg1+
A.1) 24... Kh8 25.Be5+ f6 26.Bxf6#.
A.2) 24... Kh6 25.Bf4+ Kh5 26.Rg5+
A.2.a) 26... Kh6 27.Rg4+ (better than 27.Ra5+) 27... Kh5 28.Nf6#. A.2.b) 26... Kh4 27.Rg4+ Kxh3 (27... Kh5 28.Nf6#) 27.Nf2#. B) 23... Kh8 24.Rg8+
B.1) 24... Kxg8 25.Rg1+ Kh8 26.Be5+ f6 27.Bxf6#.
B.2) 24... Rxg8 25.Be5+ f6 (25... Rg7 26.Rd8#) 26.Bxf6+ Rg7 27.Rd8+ Qg8 28.Bxg7+ Kxg7 29.Rxg8+ Kxg8 30.Kd2 + - [N]. |
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| Jun-21-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <SuperPatzer77> I recognize that you are referring to all the fellow kibitzers who had posted prior to <TheBish> and I. This said, it should be noted that neither he nor I missed the importance of the 24. Rg8+ Rxg8 25. Be5+ f6 26. Bxf6+ Rg7 27. Rd8+ Qg8 interposition. Position after 27...Qg8
 click for larger viewIt may or may not be critical to have Black's K end up on g7 or g8, but as a good technical habit to get into, 28. Bxg7+ Kxg7 29. Rxg8+ Kxg8 is better for White as Black's K is one square further from h3. Position after 29...Kxg8
 click for larger viewAs per my line in my original post, after 28. Bxg7+ Kxg7 29. Rxg8+ Kxg8 30. Nd6 b6 31. Nc8 White wins easily. Position after 31. Nc8
 click for larger viewLTJ |
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Jun-21-12
 | | SuperPatzer77: <Djoker> You're not missing something. 28. g8+! xg8 - see diagram below:
 click for larger view29. e5+ f6, 30. xf6+ g7, 31. d8+ g8, 32. xg7+ xg7, 33. xg8+ xg8 (leaving White one knight up)  After 29. e5+, we all overlook 29...f6 to avoid getting mated and allowing the Black Queen to move back to g8. <TheBish> Well-done!! SuperPatzer77 |
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Jun-21-12
 | | Abdel Irada: <Damned if you do...> In which White makes Black an offer he *can* refuse — but not for long. It all begins with 23. xg7+, when Black can grab the rook immediately: (1) 23. ... xg7; 24. g1+
(1.1) 24. ... h8?; 25. e5+, f6; 26. xf6#
(1.2) 24. ... h6; 25. f4+, h5; 26. g5+
(1.2.1) 26. ... h6; 27. g4+, h5; 28. f6#
(1.2.2) 26. ... h4; 27. g4+!
(1.2.2.1) 27. ... h5; 28. f6#
(1.2.2.2) 27. ... xh3; 28. f2#.
Or he can wait a move:
(2) 23. ... h8; 24. g8+!
(2.1) 24. ... xg8; 25. g1+, h8; 26. e5+, f6; 27. xf6# (2.2) 24. ... xg8; 25. e5+, f6!; 26. xf6+, g7; 27. d8+, g8; 28. xg7+, xg7; 29. xg8+, when White is left a knight ahead in an easily won ending. Thanks to the saving clause in line 2.2, mate is not forced, but Black has nothing to hope for even so. |
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Jun-21-12
 | | sevenseaman: <SuperPatzer77: <sevenseaman : ...27. Rg4+ Kxh3 (or Kh5) 28. Nc7 (or Nc3)# 1-0> <sevenseaman> You made a typo - the correct moves should be 28. Nf2# (or Nf6#) > 28. Nf2# (or Nf6#) is right. Thanks, you are a dear. Good to know someone reads what I write. How fuzzy can I get! I was dozing into the puzzle and have now come after a good snooze. |
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Jun-21-12
 | | SuperPatzer77: <LoveThatJoker> You're right. I saw <TheBish>'s commentary. Black King is back to g8 instead of g7 after 32. xg7+ xg7, 33. xg8+ xg8 So, White Knight is ready to attack Black's two queen-side pawns. SuperPatzer77 |
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Jun-21-12
 | | SuperPatzer77: <sevenseaman> Don't worry about the typos - you're not alone. LOL LOL
SuperPatzer77 |
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