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|May-24-04|| ||EXIDE: Straight forward.20. RxQ:Re1+
21. Qf1:Bf2+ 22. Kh1: RxQ mate
|May-24-04|| ||Jstone: no doubt. It,s amazing to me how hard
it was to envision the solution on the puzzle.In fact I didnt see it.
Its a simple game. Fast and over with both players making a b-line to the others king.Not complicated.Nor sophisticated.The game and players as a whole, that is. My only point is this;How hard it is to incorporate into your thinking to throw your queen away with the desired result coming later on the third move.Its hard to continue the pattern of thought or even to apply it.--throw the queen out there?Thats why I didnt seeit.But I can see how this positioning cauased black to look at every possibility.
in veiwing I just didnt look at it.
|May-24-04|| ||poktirity: Didn't they have a similiar problem last week? |
|May-24-04|| ||Dudley: If you have the knack for it <Jstone> you will eventually develop pattern recognition that lets you solve puzzles like this one easily. This one practically plays itself-you know it has to be something outrageous that involves check because white has a threat too. There are only two moves that give check, and the bishop one doesn't go anywhere, so Q x f2+ has to be it. The theme of the pin combined with a following rook check on a different file is a good one to know, it comes up time after time. A lead in development in an open position like this one is the critical factor. |
|May-24-04|| ||ForeverYoung: The similar puzzle is the trappy line in the Ruy Lopez Marshall line. |
|May-24-04|| ||uponthehill: In solving such puzzles good methode is to find any forced moves possible on board. One of them is always the answer. |
|May-24-04|| ||Rowson: Easy. it took 3 seconds to see. But then i can look at others for 10mins and come up with nothing. |
|May-24-04|| ||dosen: i agree with rowson. it is easy but it took my 5 seconds to see. also i think we solve a problem like this last week. may be it is better for us to solve different problems. ? |
|May-24-04|| ||Jatayu: <jstone> if you follow the puzzles on this site for a while, work out the puzzle, and read some of the very good comments, you'll find that in a very short time you'll see these quite easily. It's a question of practise. The more difficult ones take longer, but there are some very good players (from my perspective, anyway) watching whose analysis is quite helpful. |
|May-24-04|| ||bob725: wouldnt bishop take f2 followed by rook e1 have the desired effect but quicker? |
|May-24-04|| ||Doctor Who: 19...Bxf2+ 20.Kh1 and then it's Black who has to worry about being mated. |
|May-24-04|| ||bob725: sorry wasn't specific : bishop take white rook on f2 ( after queen take pawn) |
|May-24-04|| ||LuisGLopez: Yes; I saw the same solution as bob725: 19...Qxf2+ 20.Rxf2 Bxf2+, then if 21.Kf1 Re1++ and if 21. Kh1 Re1+ 22.Qf1 Rxf1++ |
|May-24-04|| ||AntonioSonoQui: It looks like those solutions transpose as well. |
|May-24-04|| ||Papablanca: I saw the 19 ... Qxf2 immediately, because of the puzzle of last week. However, somehow I could not find a finish after 21 Qf1 (How can I be so blind, sigh...). That's why in my perspective this puzzle is a good supplement to the similar one of last week. |
|May-24-04|| ||kevin86: Where's FEROCIOUS BEAST? I know he would have solved this-yesterday (lol)|
I got is early,though I missed the little nuance-Rxf2 Re1+----but only at first
|May-24-04|| ||beenthere240: There was a similar puzzle last week, but i think it's very instructing to repeat themes (to see how many people have learned the lesson). In over-the-board play, you need to start looking for positional clues -- like white's back rank is asking for a mate. Once you see that, you can start checking out combinational lines. |
|May-24-04|| ||Jstone: I,m new to this,and don,t want to be long on my comments,"but". |
|May-24-04|| ||Jstone: Dudley and Jatayu definately saw me as a beginner at this. It,s true and both well taken, And all the others as a matter of fact.I quess its obvious since,I just found this website. This is cool. |
|May-24-04|| ||Jstone: I,ll hav to come back to look at the puzzles.I didnt look at it that way, as to a puzzle solved now.I,ve never done puzzles and I will be back to look.I looked at it as open book as to,
how I could win this game if playing.And with the queen coming down it was easy.But prior it was longer.
my reflection I guess was on a weak spot of my own.I was not willing to look into the possibility of my Queen being takin in a pattern of winning.I looked at R to e1 which would have black defend and run.Obviuosly I would have missed it. |
|May-24-04|| ||Jstone: When is next puzzle if anyone knows? |
|May-24-04|| ||Jstone: Anyone want to play on pogo?,..or another. I,ll look back this evening
2100 or 9:00 pm pst. i,m probly about a
16-1675 rating,.. but think I could master if progressed.
|May-24-04|| ||daacosta: Nice puzzle... It took me about ten seconds to solve it... |
|May-24-04|| ||dac1990: An extremely similar version of this was shown last Monday. Check the chessgames.com game collections. |
|Dec-22-04|| ||latvija: Well, I didn't look at the puzzle. I will make a human obersvation. Erik Karklins, father of FM Andrew Karklins, and Pavilos Tautavaisis were regular fixtures in the Chicago chess scene. In 1963, my father took me to my first chess tournament, as an obersever. TD Frank Skoff,later USCF President, approach me and asked if I knew the moves of the game. He then asked if I were willing to work the wallboard. He could not pay me. But would be willing to pay a youth USCF membership. The #1 table was a game between Richard Verber and Paul Tatavaisis. I can't remember who won.|
Until, GM Robert Byrne showed up to play from Indianapolis. Verber and Tautavasis used to trade championship titles. I can't remember if IM Ed Formanek won any titles before he got IM.
I think that an example of Tautavasis skill is shown in his game annonations--The Chess Psychologist Tal. His annotations are named more frequently until Tals 1958 games, when Master Edmar Mednis (a Latvian born in Riga) annotates most of the games through the 1960 Championship match, won by Tal. Mednis hadn't made his GM norm yet.
So, a refugee from Latvia played a refugee from Lithuania. In terms of chess skill, Tautavasis was better. I remember that Erik Karklins was the perpetual Expert chasing after the Master title.
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