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|Jan-02-12|| ||Dionysius1: <Geronimo> Maybe Janny is the french equivalent of anon. Janny sais qui.|
|Jan-02-12|| ||gun0m: I cant see why black played 16..Be2(might be just wanted to win with queen sacrifice...) else 16..Qg3 looks unstoppable...|
|Jan-02-12|| ||Once: <gun0m> I think you are right. By move 16 black had lots of ways to win. Fritz says that 16...Qg3 is the quickest at mate in 4. 16...Bf1 mates in 6 and 16...Be2 mates in 10. Even 16...Nf2+ mates in 13.|
So yes it does look as if 16...Be2 is a bit of showboating. Not that it matters much.
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|Jan-02-12|| ||Nullifidian: Monday queen sac:
17... ♕xh3 18. ♙gxh3 ♗f3#
|Jan-02-12|| ||sevenseaman: Simple lookers can also be beautiful!
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Black to play and do enough to cope with the threatened promotion.
|Jan-02-12|| ||Once: 1...Nd2+ 2. K (any) Qxe3+ 3. Kxe3 Nxf1+ 4. K (any) Kf7.|
All the pieces disappear plus the white passer on e7. Then black's queenside pawns will decide.
|Jan-02-12|| ||stst: Special Monday, no Q-sac.
WK is too isolated, nothing helps.
Bk needs only to place Q to a mating position, viz.
17... Qg3 with Qh2 or Qf3 to end the game;
and W can resign: Qxf7+ etc is just a delaying step.
|Jan-02-12|| ||chrisowen: Abraham eat it is both rooks
Janny turned the screw.
Double bishop mate? Traced case end
King stuck fold into!
|Jan-02-12|| ||Once: <stst> Ah, um, 17...Qg3 allows white to escape with a perpetual check. After 18. Qxf7+ white can check at will on d5, f7 and the back rank. And if the black king runs to the b file white can force the exchange of queens for an easy win on material.|
Something like this:
17...Qg3 18. Qxf7+ Kc6 19. Qd5+ Kb6 20. Qb3+
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Black has to submit to the exchange of queens when white will win easily.
I'm afraid that the this really is a queen sac monday.
|Jan-02-12|| ||chrisowen: Abraham mort it up in flames
Janny's wicked house cards
Game lulled, dont feel gay lord
Chorus outdone ba bards!
|Jan-02-12|| ||jheiner: @<Once> chessgames needs to implement a +like feature. good stuff. Happy New Year.|
|Jan-02-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Once> -- <Then there's the <book> method. The pawn on g2 is clearly <overworked>. It needs to <protect> against both Qxh3+ and Bxf3#. So black <deflects> this defensive piece with the <sacrifice> 17...Qxh3+. This <forces> the <recapture> with 18. gxh3. Now we give <a minor piece mate> with 18...Bf3#.>|
That piece is particularly funny. But does it not veer a little towards parody, pastiche, satire, or one of the crueller forms of humour?
|Jan-02-12|| ||Domdaniel: There's also <Kasparov's Rule>: number of Black pieces directly involved in the attack, four. Number of White pieces defending their King, one at most. Result: White gets mated.|
|Jan-02-12|| ||YetAnotherAmateur: <Once> You left out the <Spacebar Mastery> method, where Fritz returns a list of moves which plainly puts Qxh3+ at the top of the list, and thus must be the right choice regardless of any other circumstance.|
|Jan-02-12|| ||Once: It wasn't intended to be in the least bit cruel or satirical. Just an affectionate tour of the different ways of arriving at the same conclusion. All valid, all work and all have their adherents.|
If anyone is offended, upset or feels parodied or pastiched, then I do humbly apologise.
|Jan-02-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Once> Nooooo. Nobody is offended, and I'd be truly amazed if anyone was hurt. Above all, no apology is required.|
I was merely pointing out, in jest, that pastiche (or parody, etc) *can be* cruel. Which you know, because you've seen me acting like the kind of kid who pulls the flies off wings.
I wasn't one such, I hasten to add. Not cruel at all, really. Only with the verbals: a pun opportunity clicks my lack-of-affect switch.
But the world needs satire more than it needs the absence of satire, whether that absence is caused by totalitarian regimes or an excessive desire to avoid causing offence.
If Jonathan Swift thought like that, then Gulliver would never have started his travels. Or, worse, he'd only have gone to *nice* places that reminded nobody of anything, and the book would deservedly be forgotten.
You have a fine satiric touch. Be proud of it. Apologize if anyone is hurt, but there's no need to apologize in advance. Is my opinion.
|Jan-02-12|| ||srag: God Save the Mondays!|
|Jan-02-12|| ||BOSTER: It would be nice puzzle black to play move ...14, at least for players who <extremely careful with money> (material).
This is not for Monday.|
|Jan-02-12|| ||zb2cr: An unusual mating pattern results, if Black does the very usual thing for a <CG.COM> Monday and sacrifices the Queen:|
17. ... Qxh3+; 18. gxh3, Bf3#.
|Jan-02-12|| ||Domdaniel: The double Rook sacrifice is entirely sound. When White takes the first Rook, on a8, he guarantees himself an inferior position. By taking the 2nd one on h8, he allows a forced mate.|
Black's strongest move was 14...Nf6! after which White has no defence.
There is even a quicker but more pedestrian mate with 16...Qg3 instead of ...Be2. White can do nothing except give away his Queen and Rook: mate via ...Qh2# or hxg4 Qh4# is inescapable.
I would guess that Black saw this way of winning, but chose the prettier variation in the game, complete with Queen sac. It's just as sound, but can take a little longer.
White, however, had an early advantage, despite the ugly (and bad) 3.Be2. Any normal developing move leads to equality or a slight edge for Black - anything except the tempting but weak 3...Bc5, which allows White to play a familiar trick with Nxe5 and d4, regaining all the space, momentum, and initiative he gave up with 3.Be2.
One way for White to maintain that advantage would be 11.b4 -- if 11...Bxb4 12.Qd5 wins because of the double threat of Qb5+ and Qxf7+.
Qd5 was the right idea, but White should have prepared it with b4. He should also have been more alert to his denuded King -- the trap he played in the opening had the medium-term disadvantage of leaving him without a Knight on the kingside. In such open positions, the Nf3 is important. Instead of the Queen adventure Qd5, a couple of developing moves (eg Nd2-f3) would have made sense.
After 11...Be6 White should retreat with Qd3, and have a slightly inferior position. The b7 pawn is poisoned, because it begins a forcing sequence: 12.Qxb7 Bxc4 13.Qxa8+ Kd7 and White is in deep trouble. Moving the Rook to safety, as he does, invites the brilliant 14...Nf6. But a Queen move just loses the Rook, with mate threats still in the air. And he can't even protect the Rf1, due to his undeveloped queenside: an ominous sign.
The double Rook sac (11...Be6! and all that follows - as long as White takes the bait with Qxb7) would make a moderately difficult puzzle: fairly long, but with few variations. The position at move 14, (14...Nf6!) is, ironically, an easy one. Once you find the ...Nf6 idea the banal mate with ...Qg6 soon follows.
Perhaps the best puzzle would begin after 12.Qxb7. Black to play and find (a) 12...Bxc4!, (b) 14...Nf6!, and (c) any mate after 15.Qxh8.
|Jan-02-12|| ||Domdaniel: In the last-but-one paragraph, I meant < Once you find the ...Nf6 idea the banal mate with ...Qg3 soon follows.>|
Confusing g3 with g6 is also banal.
|Jan-02-12|| ||Sularus: huhuhu first attempt for 2012, level is easy and I FAILED! waaaa|
oh well. at least i won a year's worth of premium membership!
|Jan-03-12|| ||Once: <dom> I find it to be a good principle to always apologise first. It's the pacifist equivalent of getting your retaliation in first.|
Admittedly, you can overdo it. I have been known to apologise for the black death. Yes, sorry about that. And the fall of Troy - I'm sure that was partly me too. Nam, Watergate, the sinking of the Belgrano ... yup I'll hold my hands up to those as well if it helps.
|Jan-03-12|| ||kevin86: Black mates in two as the minor pieces surround the king.|
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