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|Feb-27-07|| ||centrumspits: I've only looked at it briefly, but might 10. Nc4+ Kc6 11. Ne5+ Kd6 12. Nc4+ salvage a draw? It seems awfully dangerous to play 10. ... Kc5 11. Qxc7+|
|Feb-27-07|| ||Tactic101: Come one. This was a world champion canidate playing who? A lowly amateur in what was probably a simul. Why can't great players have some fun? It's not like they play like this in real matches. The result wasn't in doubt from move 1, so Bronstein can fool around a bit without having to worry.|
|Feb-27-07|| ||TrueFiendish: I think the title "An elephant never forgets" comes from Bronstein's book called "100 (or was it 200?) Open Games", in which each game had a description by him and a title, often whimsical or humorous. A play on words: the opening is the Elephant Gambit, but the black king also does not forget. Demanding retribution for the unwanted attention he receives, he makes directly for his white counterpart and seals off the mate. |
Bronstein's writings were subtle, clever, very witty. Everything he wrote suggested the artist--a man of compassion and an insatiable imagination, a man with a heart. In the book he wrote about a Soviet team meeting before an important tournament. Bronstein was still young; a junior member at this point. Botvinnik, team captain, addressed the group and made a request/veiled threat to players about not adopting unreliable, speculative systems such as the King's Gambit and at that moment cast an accusing glance at Bronstein. Bronstein was duly chastised and obediently employed the Spanish the next day ... listlessly. Would one tell the young Picasso not to paint but rather to attend to his Latin? I don't remember but he either lost rather badly or struggled to a draw.
|Feb-27-07|| ||simontemplar44: How lovely that mating net is!|
|Feb-27-07|| ||TrueFiendish: The black king says: "Remember me?"|
|Feb-27-07|| ||camembert: Yes, the game is featured in Bronstein's "200 Open Games", though there it has the slightly prosaic title "Exclamation Mark" (at least in the translation I've got). Bronstein says it was played against a "weak" fellow traveller on the Moscow-Kislovodsk train. His comments are, as usual for the book, amusing and intelligent though without any actual variations. It's worth tracking down a copy; good fun.|
|Feb-27-07|| ||Jack Kerouac: Bronsteins'book on the ZURICH 1953 tournament is a good chess book to have,in fact considered one of the classics. If you can get over the fact that most all the games are queen pawn and King's Indian. I play the KI but 250 plus pages of it is numbing.|
|Feb-27-07|| ||kevin86: An unusual game:Black's king uses the opposition-a common endgame technique- in the early moves of this game. I don't know if I've ever seen the ♔ vs ♔ opposition in the 12th move!|
|Feb-27-07|| ||playground player: Betcha poor Comrade Nobody thought he was winning.|
|Feb-27-07|| ||zb2cr: <centrumspits>,
In commenting on the line after 10. Nc4+, you said: "It seems awfully dangerous to play 10. ... Kc5 11. Qxc7+". Why so? It seems that 11. ... Nc6 stops the checks by the White Queen, and 12. d4 or 12. b4 both get answered by 12. ... Kxc4. If then 13. Qf7+ followed by grabbing the Rook, Black has the same recourse as in the actual game. What are you seeing that I'm missing?
|Feb-27-07|| ||Themofro: What a beatuiful game by Bronstein, love that final mating position.|
|Feb-27-07|| ||fm avari viraf: NN was no match against Bronstein's cunning mating net!|
|Feb-27-07|| ||Fast Gun: No way do I believe for one minute that was a proper game or that NN was a real opponent, this is probably one of those composed games like the one that Alekhine played against NN in 1915 where there was five queens on the board:
To support my argument I ask all the other chess players who use this site that if they won a game in this style of play, I guarantee that they would be able to remember the name of the opponent:
I'm sorry to say that this has got to be a composed game, like those problem-like positions from people like Sam Loyd and Cheron:|
|Feb-27-07|| ||shr0pshire: This is very similar to the type of traps that exist in the two knights defense:|
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nd4 6. d6 Qxd6 7. Nxf7 Qc6 8. Nxh8 Qxg2 9. Bf7+ Kd8 10. Rf1 Qe4+ 0-1
At least Bronstien was up on his opening theory.
|Feb-27-07|| ||TrueFiendish: <Fast Gun> <No way do I believe for one minute that was a proper game or that NN was a real opponent, this is probably one of those composed games like the one that Alekhine played against NN in 1915 where there was five queens on the board: To support my argument I ask all the other chess players who use this site that if they won a game in this style of play, I guarantee that they would be able to remember the name of the opponent>|
We are not Bronstein. You call him a liar. You are wrong.
|Feb-27-07|| ||TrueFiendish: In fact black's king moves are entirely logical and necessary. Do you know anything about this gambit?|
|Feb-27-07|| ||whatthefat: <Fast Gun>
What on earth are you rambling about?
<To support my argument I ask all the other chess players who use this site that if they won a game in this style of play, I guarantee that they would be able to remember the name of the opponent>
So now all miniatures are composed? I suggest you look over the games of Morphy to begin your education. And what do you mean "remember the name of the opponent"? NN simply indicates that the opponent was not a player of any note, and so it's likely the game was played in a simul. It doesn't mean Bronstein forgot who he played. Unbelievable.
|Feb-27-07|| ||syracrophy: It's really funny to see the position of the Black ♔ on e5. In the mating position, he was a clue piece to give mate. He was hunted down just to help to mate the other ♔. Just funny.|
|Feb-27-07|| ||shr0pshire: <FastGun> I have won a correspondence game on queenalice in the line I showed in the two knight less than a month ago. |
Bronstien was playing some unknown player who didn't know about that psuedo-sacrifice in that position which leads to mate.
|Feb-27-07|| ||amuralid: <Fast Gun> What are you talking about? Bronstein is a great player. He must have wiped hundreds of people off the board. why would he HAVE to remember the name ?|
|Feb-28-07|| ||DWINS: <FastGun> and others, Read the above posting by <camembert>. The game was played on a train against a nobody.|
It always amazes me that very few people bother to read the other posts in a thread. There is always so much needless repetition in these threads.
|Feb-28-07|| ||TrueFiendish: <DWINS> Good point, though it appears plenty of people read FastGun's post.|
|Feb-28-07|| ||centrumspits: Zb2cr, it is me who's missed something. I overlooked the possibility of Nc6. I was so eager going on a king hunt that I didn't not see the possibility of the knight blocking the check.|
|Jul-01-13|| ||whiteshark: <MatoJelic> has made a short video on this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcn...|
|Aug-16-14|| ||ljfyffe: John Cherriman-G.Palmer Toronto Chess Club 1854 Englund Attack <1e4 e5 2Nf3 d5 3exd5 Qxd5 4Nc3 Qe6 5Bb5+ c6 6Ba4 Bc5 7Qe2 Nd7 8Bb3 Qf5 9d4 Bd6 10Be4 Bc7 11Ng3 Qg4 12Bxf7+ > 1-0|
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