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Brutus (Computer) vs Maia Chiburdanidze
"Et Tu, Brutè?" (game of the day Jun-10-2007)
Lippstadt 11th (2003), rd 6, Aug-07
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance Variation. Van der Wiel Attack Dreyev Defense (B12)  ·  1-0
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Jun-10-07  BAG: Will the computer programs resign themselves or is up to the operators to stop the show? Just something I wondered
Jun-10-07  think: As far as I know, computers can be told to resign after their evaluation falls below a certain point.
Jun-10-07  Giearth: ["Et tu, Brutè?" is a Latin phrase that was, according to legend, the last words of Julius Caesar. In English, the sentence means "You too, Brutus?" or "Even you, Brutus?". It is...

On March 15, 44 BC, Julius Caesar was attacked by a group of senators, including Marcus Junius Brutus, a senator and Caesar's close friend. Caesar initially resisted his attackers, but when he saw Brutus, he supposedly spoke those words...

Caesar almost certainly did not, in fact, utter these precise words upon his assassination. Plutarch says that he died wordlessly while Suetonius says that he said... "You too, my child?"...]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_tu,...

"Et Tu, Brutè?" was made famous by Shakespeare in the play Julius Caeser.

P/S: I do not see why this quote is appropriate with this game. If Mr Brutus was the disciple/close friend that have won the game (either by cheating, pure luck or with his own strength), maybe... ;p

Jun-10-07  Giearth: Sorry, suppose to say "Mr Brutus" with the quote :)
Jun-10-07  Karpova: The whole tournament (11 human beings and 1 computer): http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

http://slashdot.org/games/03/08/19/...

Jun-10-07  Judah: <Giearth>:<P/S: I do not see why this quote is appropriate with this game.>

Caesar makes the remark after being slaughtered by Brutus.

Jun-10-07  cyclemath: Whatever Caesar said, he wouldn't have put a grave accent on the last letter of Brute, since the grave accent does not appear in Latin.
Jun-10-07
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  Knight13: <Giearth> Yeah, like we didn't know that...
Jun-10-07
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  Sneaky: <Whatever Caesar said, he wouldn't have put a grave accent on the last letter of Brute, since...> he was speaking and not writing. (And not speaking in Latin anyhow--he spoke in Greek!)
Jun-10-07  backyard pawn: <Judah: Caesar makes the remark after being slaughtered by Brutus.> You mean he was dead when he spoke those words?
Jun-10-07  lopium: <On March 15, 44 BC, Julius Caesar was attacked by a group of senators, including Marcus Junius Brutus, a senator and Caesar's close friend.> Well in fact Brutus was the adoptive son of Julius Caesar.
Jun-10-07  Calculon: I think this computer should play against Sid Caesar; then the quote would really be appropriate.
Jun-10-07
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  al wazir: If we can get off the subject of Roman history for a moment, how does white win after 30...Ne6, threatening 31...Bc7 ? If 31. Nxd8 Qxd8, it looks as though black maintains material equality and foils white's king-side incursion.
Jun-10-07
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  fm avari viraf: <al wazir: how does white win after 30...Ne6, threatening 31...Bc7? > Well, if 30...Ne6 then 31.Qe5+ [ not 31...f6 then 32.Qxe6 ] 31...Kg8 32.Nxd8 Qxd8 33.Re1 & White is in commanding position & should eventually win.
Jun-10-07
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  fm avari viraf: After 29.Nc5 the Brutus outplays former World Champion Maya as 29...bxc5 is not possible coz 30.Rxb8 nor 29...Bc7 then 30.Nxe6+ & winning the B. I think, Black should play 29...Nxc5 30.dxc5 Ng8 but still it is difficult to save the game. My pun is"Indeed, Brutus Brutal"
Jun-10-07  Akuni: <Lopium> Wasn't Octavius, later Emporer Augustus, Caesar's adopted son. I've never heard of Brutus being Caesar's adopted son, but he was, I think, adopted by his uncle.

<Sneaky> I'm pretty sure he was speaking Latin or something close to Latin, not Greek, as the Italian penisula was the birhtplace of the latin language, and the Phrase "It was Greek to me" was used in the play Julius Caesar.

Also Caesar probably never said it in any language,more likely some historian or Shakespeare added it.

<al wazir> Sorry.

Jun-10-07
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  al wazir: <fm avari viraf>: Thanks. Well if that's the best continuation white has, then 30...Nd6 at least is better than 30...Rxa6, the move played, which lost by force.
Jun-10-07
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  RandomVisitor: 18...f6 is a suggested improvement for Black, and if exf6 Nxg8 regains the pawn with some breathing space.

18...f6 19.Bf4 fxe5 20.Bxe5 Bxe5 21.dxe5 is also possible.

Jun-11-07
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  kevin86: Is that any way to treat a lady,Mr. Computer? Boy,you are a brute.
Jun-13-07  Giearth: <Judah: Caesar makes the remark after being> (I take that you mean "before") <slaughtered by Brutus.> Previous historians like Mestrius Plutarchus & Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus had no record of the supposedly uttered phrase.

<Knight13: Yeah, like we didn't know that...> TQ. I didn't have the luxury to study about history of Caesar when I was younger. I know about Caesar but only that he was a heroic character...

<backyard pawn: (Judah:) You mean he was dead when he spoke those words?> ;)

<Calculon: I think this computer should play against Sid Caesar; then the quote would really be appropriate.> Seconded!

<ALL> I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feeling and I sincerely apologize to everyone if I ever (unknowingly, I hope) touch on your nerve...

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