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| Jun-02-04 | | iron maiden: <vangogh228> 43...Rb8 loses to 44. Rxe8+! Rxe8 45. Be6! and the pawn promotes. |
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| Jun-02-04 | | notsodeepthought: It also loses to 44 Bc6 R:d8 45 c:d8=N which forces the exchange of black's bishop with a trivial endgame for white. |
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| Jun-02-04 | | AlexKearns: <vangogh228><iron maiden>
The best response to 4...Rb8 is (if you haven't read my earlier analysis) to remove the stalemate threat by 45 Bc6/Bb7 or even Ba8 threatening to take the rook or queen the pawn. <notsodeepthought>If then 45...Rxd8, not 46 c:d8=N but 46 c:d8=Q (the black king can now move to g8 so no stalemate). |
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| Jun-02-04 | | karlzen: <masterwojtek>, 43.Bf7 Rxc7 44.Rd8 Rc3+ does not draw I'm afraid. Think about the e4-pawn! :) <patzer2>, sorry about that. :) I just tried to be funny. I meant to play the half-move Nf7# (the knight is hovering so g8 is still covered!). Still, promoting to a knight is slightly more accurate than the game. |
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| Jun-02-04 | | notsodeepthought: <AlexKearns> Good point, of course, thanks. |
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| Jun-02-04 | | chessfected: 43.....Rb8 44.Kd4! also wins. there is no stalemate as the e4 pawn can move. |
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| Jun-03-04 | | MatrixManNe0: <kevin86>, when did this rule take place? Where can I find a rulebook on the net? |
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| Jun-03-04 | | AlexKearns: <chessfected>44Kd4 Great move - much better than moving the Bishop. I considered it in a different variation (see earlier post) but not in the 43...Rb8 continuation. |
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| Apr-19-05 | | soberknight: <kevin86> The idea of a White move producing a new Black piece occurs in circe chess problems. See my profile for a primitive example that I composed. |
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| Mar-16-09 | | WhiteRook48: I winz! Beck away!
44. cxd8B is fantastic! |
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Jul-09-09
 | | DarthStapler: Nice ending |
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Jun-12-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Nothing like having the bishop pair. |
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Jun-12-12
 | | dzechiel: White to move (44?). Black is up a rook. "Easy."
I'm sure there's more than one way to win this position, but the easiest looks like... 44 cxd8=B
Threatening 45 Bf6#. Black has only one reply to stave off mate: 44...Bf7
and now
45 Bf6+
Of course not 45 Bxf7 stalemate.
45...Kg8 46 Bxf7+ Kxf7 47 Bd8
followed by the capture of the black a- and b-pawns.
This should be it. Time to check. |
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| Jun-12-12 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @dzechiel
a knight is also ok but not as forcing as the bishop underpromotion of course |
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Jun-12-12
 | | Infohunter: Always a treat to see the rarest of all underpromotions used to win an actual game, as distinct from being used to solve a composed position. |
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| Jun-12-12 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: In this endgame position, white is currently down a rook for a pawn but is in position to take the rook with promotion. Unfortunately 44.cxd8=Q (or R) is stalemate. Therefore, white must under-promote: 44.cxd8=B Bf7 (otherwise 45.Bf6#) 45.Bf6+ Kg8 46.Bxf7+ and black can resign, with no prospects for stalemate. The alternative, 44.cxd8=N also wins easily, e.g. 44... Bd7 (Bxa4 45.Nf7+ Kg8 46.bxa4) 45.Bc4 Bc8 46.Nc6 followed by Nxa6 and promotion of the a-pawn. |
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Jun-12-12
| | Phony Benoni: Promoting to a knight
click for larger viewleads to an interesting situation. What's the quickest winning method? 44...Bd7 looks forced, and now after 45.Nf7+ Kg8 46.Ne5+ Kh8!, White discovers the bishop is immune. 
click for larger viewThe simplest course to my mind is 47.Bxe4 Be6 48.Bc2 Bd5 49.Kd4!, followed by 50.Nc4 or 50.Nc6 and snaffling the a-pawn. So a knight also works, though the bishop is probably quicker. Besides, knight promotions are a dime a dozen, but how often do you get to promote to a bishop when it actually matters? |
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Jun-12-12
 | | sevenseaman: Black holds a dying R extra, for a P on the verge of glory. Nothing puzzle-like in the position 'cept a likely stalemate draw if we are careless. On a casual look it seems ok to improvise 44. Bc6 to afford the Black K a move. But then the Black R starts to roar (44. Rd3+). So in order to escape the chance of a stalemate it is a better idea to eliminate the R and under-promote to a B. This wins the game just as easily. 44. cxd8=B B~ (only Black piece that has a legal move) 45. Bf6# 1-0 I have never seen a more secure win.
A novel and interesting fare today. Well done <CG>. |
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Jun-12-12
| | sevenseaman: In my book, or rather the Chess Tempo book where I practice my tactics every day, promoting to a N is a 'no no'. CT has no leeway even if you take 1 move extra. It shows you the red flag w/o hearing your case. Its simply, "you wanna shoot, shoot; don't talk". (The last line is from a movie I cannot recall the name of. |
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Jun-12-12
 | | M.Hassan: "Easy" White to play 44.?
White is a Rook behind
It did not take me long to see that if the c pawn promoted to Queen, the game will be drawn by stalemate since the Black King can not move, Bishop is pinned and pawns have no movement as per the diagram:
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It is Black to move
I then chose to promote it to Bishop or Knight:
44.cxd8=N Bd7
45.Nf7+ Kg8
46.Ne5+ Kh8
47.Kd2 Be8
48.Bc4 e3
The game takes longer but I would say White wins having the advantage of an extra piece Time to check |
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| Jun-12-12 | | stacase: At first I thought, "Oh, White needs to go for a draw" and then, "Wait a minute!" Promotion to a Knight would have given White a win also, but the choice of the Bishop seals the deal. |
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Jun-12-12
 | | FSR: 44.cxd8(B) Bf7! (otherwise 45.Bxf6#) and now one way to win is 45.Bf6+ Kg8 46.Bxf7+ Kxf7 47.Bd8. Of course, 44.cxd8(N) would also win easily enough. |
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Jun-12-12
| | JimmyRockHound: Lovely! |
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| Jun-12-12 | | ForeverYoung: a very funny way to end the game!! :) |
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| Jun-12-12 | | shaikriyaz: <"you wanna
shoot, shoot; don't talk".
(The last line is from a movie I cannot
recall the name of.>
transporter3, I presume |
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