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|Oct-21-13|| ||HeMateMe: I only hope that the Anand/Carlsen match has some games like this.|
Is the tourist line a reference to white's passive Queen?
|Oct-21-13|| ||hedgeh0g: Fantastic pun!|
|Oct-21-13|| ||Check It Out: I think Kasparov once called Movsesian a "chess tourist" for for his approach to the game.|
I have a question: what is the actual trap in this game?
|Oct-21-13|| ||Willem Wallekers: Scheveningen is a tourist trap, I know because I have been there.|
|Oct-21-13|| ||HeMateMe: I thought a poisoned pawn grab might be a tourist trap. |
Plenty of good players have taken the Knight on c3 and lost. I'm sure Kasparov has lost games with the sac exchange on c3, as well.
|Oct-21-13|| ||perfidious: In poker, weak players are known, inter alia, as 'tourists'.|
Bit surprising to see Kasparov refer such accomplished players in this way.
|Oct-21-13|| ||chessbug2: Great great pun!|
|Oct-21-13|| ||kevin86: White can take black's queen,but must instead give up his own queen on penalty of mate.|
|Oct-21-13|| ||Everett: Oct-21-13
member < perfidious: In poker, weak players are known, inter alia, as 'tourists'.
Bit surprising to see Kasparov refer such accomplished players in this way.>
I think the insult "tourists" travels quite well amongst many sports and strategic game competitions.
|Oct-21-13|| ||Richard Taylor: Typical - almost thematic - double-edged Sicilian with the standard Rxc3 sac. Kasparov had most of it worked out. Witty game by K.|
Scheveningen - tourists get trapped there? Strange "puns" they have on here.
|Oct-21-13|| ||perfidious: <Everett>: Most interesting.|
My quarrel with Kasparov's use of that derogatory description is only that, while these players were indeed inferior in class to him, the gap between even average tournament players and those GMs is far greater than between the strong grandmasters and himself.
|Oct-21-13|| ||Everett: < perfidious> oh, I agree, Kasparov is also in the elite level of jerkdom. The rest of us are just "tourists" in comparison.|
|Oct-21-13|| ||perfidious: <Everett>: That lovely trait can often accompany such immense abilities, though it has been my pleasure to have known my share of strong players who were good to be with away from the board, such as <cehertan>, <bwarnock> et al.|
Here is an example of supreme jerkdom from a top practitioner in my vocation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_...
|Oct-21-13|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Check It Out: I think Kasparov once called Movsesian a "chess tourist" for for his approach to the game.|
I have a question: what is the actual trap in this game?>
Maybe luring White into the royal fork, which doesn't win but instead gets mated:
|Oct-21-13|| ||Everett: <perfidious> Hellmuth sounds like a big baby.|
Back to Kasparov for a moment, here's my own umbrage-kibitz directed at him Kasparov vs Svidler, 1999
|Oct-21-13|| ||perfidious: <Everett>: That little rant by Kasparov was pompous as all get out, not to mention erroneous in more than one particular.|
Hellmuth is full value for that-while I have never played with him, I have seen more than one of his tantrums from tournament play on TV.
|Oct-21-13|| ||Kikoman: position after 32...Kxf7
click for larger view
great game by Kaspy.
|Oct-21-13|| ||Mudphudder: Phil Hellmuth may be a good professional poker player, but he is nowhere near the level of Kasparov is to chess.|
|May-17-14|| ||KingG: The position at move 13 was almost identical to the position after move 13 in the game Campora vs Yudasin, 1989, with the same sacrifice being played.|
|Sep-08-15|| ||plang: Played in the last (11th round); Kasparov held a half point lead over Shirov and Adams. All 3 players won their last game enabling Kasparov to win the tournament. By delaying g4 White gave Black the option of ..Nbd7 and ..Nb6 which Kasparov thought worked to Blacks advantage (practice has supported that view). Movsesian was surprised by 16..0-0 as he had played some internet games with Van Wely in this line and Black had left his king in the center. Kasparov, though, felt it was essential to transfer his rook to the queenside so that it could participate in the attack. 21 Bf4 probably would have been a better try; 21 Qh3?! just ended up misplacing the queen. Kasparov missed a quicker win with 24..Bxb4 25 Qh2..Qc2 and the threat of ..Nc3 is decisive. 26 dxe wasn't possible due to 26..Be5+ 27 Nd4..Bxd4 28 Rxd4..Qxc1+ mating. 28..Kxf7 29 Bb2!..Nxb2 30 Rc1 would have given White more play than in the game. |
<Richard Taylor: Typical - almost thematic - double-edged Sicilian with the standard Rxc3 sac. Kasparov had most of it worked out. >
In fact I don't think Kasparov had anything "worked out". I had heard about this game with the exchange sacrifice but when I actually looked at it I was surprised at how complicated it was. The attack was not easy and several decisions that Kasparov made were far from obvious...and all of it was worked out over the board.
|Sep-09-15|| ||Richard Taylor: <plang. Well I have played a number of games with similar exchange sacrifices. Sometimes I win, sometimes not, but the opening type, Najdorf or English Attack lends itself to this kind of sacrifice, and with similar complications. There are many games in this opening (generic shall we say) which are similar. |
We all know how clever Kasparov was, I recall playing over his wins he essayed in the 80s. He was fond, like Petrosian was, of long term exchange sacs and he either prepared them and or made it all up as he went.
It is a nice game of course, and witty indeed I say: rather Tartakowerish in fact...
|Feb-02-17|| ||perfidious: <AdrianP....Stohl also reports that (Kasparov) made expressions of disgust when Movsesian played Bd3 allowing the exchange sacrifice....>|
Nunn wrote of Kasparov's 'force ten lip-curl' when annotating one of his encounters with the great man; believe it was Kasparov vs Nunn, 1989.
|Feb-02-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: 18 Qg3=|
|Sep-05-17|| ||QueensideCastler: 13...Rxc3 is engine draw at the time of this writing.|
|Jul-04-18|| ||Sally Simpson: Kasparov in his 'How Life Imitates Chess' mentions this game as a warning about being side-tracked by wondering what is happening in other games.|
Kasparov was ½ point ahead of Shirov and Adams. But if they both drew their games then it would be folly to take chances. However he decided to attack straight from the start and await events elsewhere.
He said it was hard not to watch what was happening in the other games and he was finally relieved to see that both Adams and Shirov were winning so he could stop wondering what was happening and concentrate on his own game.
Kasparov also mention the 'tourist' part adding that Movsesian wanted his scalp as a souvenir.
In the other games Bacrot vs Shirov, 2000 Shirov played a Budapest Gambit ( if viewing in OLGA you only get 4 moves.) and won.
Adams vs Morozevich, 2000 A French was an Adams win.
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