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Carl Theodor Goering vs Adolf Anderssen
Leipzig (1877), Leipzig GER, rd 7, Jul-19
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen Variation (B46)  ·  1-0
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Aug-27-07  Fezzik: I wonder why there are more comments on Mondays than Sundays.

I would think that the more difficult positions would inspire more chatter.

Then again, maybe I should remember the saying:

"The wise man speaks because he has something to say. The fool speaks because he has to say something."

Aug-27-07
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  vonKrolock: <ycsidney vibes43 Billosky etc> My pleasure :) The episode is discussed further a. o. related topics in Calli chessforum who is also the author of collection Anderssen-Feier, Leipzig 1877
Aug-27-07  pandi: 32. Kg3?? I don't give a @#$%!
Aug-27-07  pandi: 33...Qe1!! and it's all over
Aug-27-07  greensfield: <Fezzik: I wonder why there are more comments on Mondays than Sundays. I would think that the more difficult positions would inspire more chatter.

Then again, maybe I should remember the saying:

"The wise man speaks because he has something to say. The fool speaks because he has to say something."> You are speaking a lot? Mind you I'm answering you, so I better shut up!

Aug-27-07  Turbo.Abraham: Other than losing a few tempi, can someone explain why white did not play 13.Kxh2 ?
Aug-27-07  Zorilla: <vonKrolock: there's a funny history on this game...>

Thanks!

Aug-27-07
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  dzechiel: <Turbo.Abraham: Other than losing a few tempi, can someone explain why white did not play 13.Kxh2?>

13...Bxf5 would win the piece back immediately (14 Nxf5 Ng4+ 15 Kg1 Qxg5 or 14 Bxf6 Qxf6 15 Nxf5 Qxf5) with a better position after eliminating the white bishops.

Aug-27-07  Crowaholic: <panthercat: A much faster way for Black to win in your non-queen-sac line is 36. Qh3 Qf2#.>

How embarassing... :-(

<fm avari viraf: Anderssen committed a blunder by playing 34...Rxe7? Better is 34...Nxe7 35.Qxf4 Qxf4+ is hundred times better than the text. The text move allows mate in two by sacrificing the Queen on f8 & Rook mates on h8.>

Incorrect - read vonKrolock's posting on page 1.

Aug-27-07  aazqua: That some would attempt to call this chess is a travesty. By today's standards this isn't even up to the level of a bad club game.
Aug-27-07  cyruslaihy: at first i tried Rh8+ when the king escaped, then i tried reversing move order and got it
Aug-29-07
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  minasina: <newton296: <ryanpd today's strongest program is Rybka. There is no need to mention Deep Junior>

interesting to me is that rybka has never defeated deep junior. ( check the head to head data base ) So how can u say its better ?>

You didn't read my previous posts? Did you check those rating lists? Rating lists don't come out from nowhere. Of course there are hundreds of games between chess programs. From SSDF rating list two examples how Rybka, with black pieces, beats Junior: http://home.interact.se/~w100107/we...

[Event "SSDF-match"]
[Site "Sundsvall"]
[Date "2007.03.06"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Junior 10.1 A1200"]
[Black "Rybka 2.3.1 A1200"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B78"]
[Annotator "Sandin,Lars"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[EventDate "2007.01.06"]
[SourceDate "2006.05.14"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2 O-O 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Qb8 11. h4 Rc8 12. Bb3 a5 13. a3 b5 (b7b5 Sd4xb5 a5a4 Lb3a2 Db8b7 h4h5 Sc6e5 h5xg6 Ld7xb5 g6xf7+ Se5xf7 Sc3xb5 Db7xb5 Le3d4) +0. 03/15 303 14. Nd5 Nxd5 (Sf6xd5 Sd4xc6 Ld7xc6 e4xd5 Lc6d7 Le3d4 Ld7f5 g2g4 a5a4 g4xf5 a4xb3 c2c3 Lg7xd4 Dd2xd4) +0.10/17 203 15. Nxc6 Bxc6 (Ld7xc6 e4xd5 Lc6d7 Le3d4 Ld7f5 g2g4 a5a4 g4xf5 a4xb3 c2c3 Lg7xd4 Dd2xd4 Ta8a4 Dd4e3) +0.12/ 18 29 16. exd5 Bd7 (Lc6d7 Le3d4 Ld7f5 g2g4 a5a4 g4xf5 a4xb3 c2c3 Lg7xd4 Dd2xd4 Ta8a4 Dd4e3 b5b4 De3e4) +0.11/19 123 17. g4 Qc7 (Db8c7 h4h5 a5a4 Lb3a2 b5b4 h5xg6 f7xg6 a3xb4 a4a3 b2b3 Lg7c3 Dd2h2 h7h5 ♔c1b1) +0.32/17 216 18. h5 a4 (a5a4 Lb3a2 b5b4 h5xg6 f7xg6 a3xb4 a4a3 b2b3 Lg7c3 Dd2h2 h7h5 Td1g1 h5h4 ♔c1b1) +0.13/18 136 19. Ba2 b4 (b5b4 h5xg6 h7xg6 a3xb4 a4a3 b2b3 Dc7c3 Dd2xc3 Tc8xc3 Th1e1 Ta8c8 Td1d2 Lg7e5 f3f4) +0.27/17 205 20. hxg6 hxg6 (h7xg6 a3xb4 a4a3 b2b3 Dc7c3 Dd2xc3 Tc8xc3 Th1e1 Ta8c8 Td1d2 Lg7e5 f3f4 Le5f6 g4g5) +0.33/18149

Aug-29-07
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  minasina: 21. axb4 a3 (a4a3 b2b3 Dc7c3 Dd2xc3 Tc8xc3 Td1e1 Ta8c8 Th1h2 f7f5 ♔c1b1 f5xg4 f3xg4 Ld7xg4 Le3c1) +0.36/19 149 22. b3 Qc3 (Dc7c3 Dd2 xc3 Tc8xc3 Td1e1 Ta8c8 Th1h2 f7f5 ♔c1b1 f5xg4 f3xg4 Ld7xg4 Le3c1 Lg7e5 Th2g2) +0.36/19 88 23. Qxc3 Rxc3 (Tc8xc3 Td1e1 Ta8c8 Th1h2 f7f5 ♔c1b1 f5xg4 f3xg4 Ld7xg4 Th2g2 Lg4h3 Tg2h2 Lh3f5 Te1e2) +0.36/22 2 24. Rde1 Rac8 (Ta8c8 Th1h2 f7f5 ♔c1b1 f5xg4 f3xg4 Ld7xg4 Th2g2 Lg4h3 Tg2h2 Lh3f5 Te1e2 Lf5g4 Te2e1) +0.36/ 22 56 25. Rh2 f5 (f7f5 ♔c1b1 f5xg4 f3xg4 Ld7xg4 Th2g2 Lg4h3 Tg2h2 Lh3f5 Te1e2 Lf5g4 Te2e1 Lg7e5 Th2d2) +0.36/22 342 26. Kb1 fxg4 (f5xg4 f3xg4 Ld7xg4 Th2g2 Lg4h3 Tg2f2 Lg7e5 Le3f4 Le5xf4 Tf2xf4 Tc3xc2 Tf4c4 Tc2d2 ♔b1a1) +1.36/21 435 27. fxg4 Bxg4 (Ld7xg4 Th2g2 Lg4h3 Tg2xg6 Tc3xc2 Tg6xg7+ ♔g8xg7 ♔b1a1 ♔g7f7 La2b1 Tc2g2 b4b5 Tc8c3 Lb1e4) +1.63/21 117 28. b5 Be5 (Lg7e5 Th2g2 Lg4h3 Tg2e2 Lh3f5 Te1c1 Lf5g4 Te2e1 Le5g3 b5b6 Lg3xe1 Tc1xe1 Tc3xc2 ♔b1a1) +2. 34/21 267 29. Rg2 Bh3 (Lg4h3 Tg2e2 Lh3f5 Te1c1 Lf5g4 Te2e1 Le5g3 b5b6 Lg3xe1 Tc1xe1 Tc3xc2 Le3g5 Lg4f5 ♔b1a1) +2.55/21 41 30. Rxg6+ Kf7 (♔g8f7 Tg6e6 Lh3xe6 d5xe6+ ♔f7xe6 b3b4+ ♔e6d7 La2d5 a3a2+ Ld5xa2 Tc3xc2 Le3c1 e7e6 b5b6) +2. 74/20 126 31. Rg5 Bf6 (Le5f6 Te1c1 Tc3xe3 Tg5h5 ♔f7g6 Th5xh3 Te3xh3 b3b4 Tc8b8 Tc1g1+ ♔g6f5 La2c4 a3a2+ Lc4xa2) +5.43/19 336 32. Re2 Bf1 (Lh3f1 Te2f2 Tc3xe3 Tf2xf1 Te3e2 Tg5e5 d6xe5 Tf1c1 Te2f2 d5d6 Lf6g5 b3b4+ ♔f7f6 Tc1g1) +8. 05/21 636 33. Rf2 Rxe3 (Tc3xe3 c2c4 Te3e1+ ♔b1c2 Te1a1 La2b1 a3a2 Tf2xf1 a2xb1D+ Tf1xb1 Ta1xb1 ♔c2xb1 Lf6xg5 b5b6) +7.84/21 242 34. Rxf1 Re2 (Te3e2 c2c4 Te2b2+ ♔b1c1 Tb2xa2 b5b6 Ta2a1+ ♔c1d2 Ta1xf1 b6b7 Lf6xg5+ ♔d2e2) +5.48/18 257 35. Re5 dxe5 (d6xe5 Tf1c1 Lf6g5 Tc1f1+ ♔f7e8 c2c4 e5e4 b5b6 Te2b2+ ♔b1a1 Lg5f6 Tf1xf6 e7xf6 La2b1) +11.64/22 339 Vit ger upp 0-1
Aug-29-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  minasina: [Event "SSDF-match"]
[Site "Sundsvall"]
[Date "2007.03.13"]
[Round "14"]
[White "Junior 10.1 A1200"]
[Black "Rybka 2.3.1 A1200"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B66"]
[Annotator "Sandin,Lars"]
[PlyCount "118"]
[EventDate "2007.01.06"]
[SourceDate "2006.05.14"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O h6 9. Be3 Be7 10. f4 Bd7 11. Kb1 b5 12. Bd3 O-O 13. h3 Nxd4 14. Bxd4 Bc6 15. Qe3 Qc7 16. e5 dxe5 17. Bxe5 Qb7 0.00/16 200 18. Rhf1 b4 0.00/16 262 19. Bxf6 Bxf6 0.00/19 248 20. Ne4 Be7 0.00/18 557 21. g4 Rad8 0.00/17 719 22. g5 hxg5 0.00/17 111 23. Nxg5 Bf6 0.00/17 275 24. h4 Rd7 +0.03/16 1032 25. Bh7+ Kh8 +0.07/18 239 26. Rxd7 Qxd7 +0.07/17 35 27. Bd3 Rd8 +0.07/17 51 28. Rd1 Qb7 0.00/16 317 29. Qe2 Kg8 0.00/17 46 30. Qh5 a5 0.00/17 49 31. Qh7+ Kf8 +0.10/1 32. f5 Qa7 +0.22/17 320 33. Qh5 e5 +0.22/18 64 34. b3 Rd4 +0.22/18 35. Re1 Bd5 +0.51/17 391 36. Bc4 Qb7 +0.40/18 372 37. Bxd5 Qxd5 +0.65/19 325 38. Rg1 Ke7 +0.67/19 313 39. Re1 Rf4 +0.63/20 277 40. Qe2 Rxf5 +0.63/20 41. Nh7 Rf4 +0.87/18 654 42. h5 Bh4 +1.53/19 41 43. Rc1 Bf2 +1.94/17 146 44. Qa6 Bd4 +1.94/19 123 45. Qc8 Qd8 +1.93/20 57 46. Qb7+ Qd7 +1.96/22 234 47. Qa8 Qc7 +1.96/21 368 48. Qg2 Be3 +2.18/17 160 49. Qg5+ Kd7 +2.38/18 147 50. Rd1+ Bd4 +2.61/20 132 51. Qg2 Kd6 +2.77/20 315 52. Qe2 Ke7 +3.35/21 148 53. Rd3 Rf2 +5.27/18 232 54. Qd1 Rg2 +5.22/15 62 55. h6 gxh6 +5.22/15 233 56. Nf6 Qc6 +5.53/15 94 57. Ng4 Qe4 +7.56/17 246 58. Nf6 Kxf6 +4.63/15 59. Qc1 Ke7 +9.77/20 291 White resigns 0-1

Aug-29-07
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  minasina: SSDF test period March 3-23, 2007 result between Rybka and Junior is for Rybka 21 wins, 10 draws, and 9 losses.
Aug-30-07  noctiferus: About rybka-DJ:
CEGT results table: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/Rep...
Aug-30-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  minasina: Yeah, CEGT results table clearly states that Rybka beats ALL the other chess programs, no matter if it is old or new Rybka version (Rybka 1.3, 2.1 or 2.3). Simplified ranking list with this CEGT table seems to be 1) Rybka, 2) Hiarcs 11, 3) Deep Fritz 10, 4) Loop 13.5, 5) List 11.64, 6) Deep Junior 10, ... So with this list it is not at all questionable that Rybka is best. However, it seems to be very questionable to claim that Deep Junior is the second best!
Sep-01-07
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  minasina: http://www.rybkachess.com/
Oct-16-07
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  whiteshark: <vonKrolock> Belated thanks for the amusing story. This #-in-3 proclamation must have hypnotised Anderssen for a moment, and after that it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Apr-28-08  Magic Castle: Black should have returned the rook with 36....Re8 37. Qe8+ Nf8. Now 38. Qf8+ is no longer viable because Kf8 and now the K can escape to e7 after Rh8+. Looks like black attack will then comes first.
Feb-17-09  ariel el luchador: ¿porque no 34) cxc para el negro ?¿why not 34) nxn for black?
Feb-17-09  ariel el luchador: 13)RxA AXA 14)AXC DXA 15)CXA con ventanja blanca 13)KXB BXB 14)AXN QXB 15)NXB and white win
Feb-17-09  ariel el luchador: the last comment is incorrect,el ´´ultimo comentario es incorrecto.
Nov-28-14  poorthylacine: If Anderssen would not have been bluffed by the false assertion of Göring he normally could win this tournament instead of Paulsen, and so realize the last triumph of his great career; the worst because this tournament was organized by... Göring as homage to Anderssen; the poor old master was already sickly the following year and could not win the Paris tournament which was so the first important victory of Zukertort...
Jul-31-17  borabc: So bad that this white guy suicided 37 y/o
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