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Nov-27-05
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| Richard Taylor: Another line is
22.  xh7  xb3 23. f6 (threatens 24 g7+ ) and White wins or 22. xh7 xg5 23.  xg5 exf5 24. e6 and wins
or 23. ...  xh7 24. f6 h8 25. g4 g8 26. h4 xh4 27. xh4 d8 28. xa4  b8 29. c5 and forces mate in about 2 or 3 moves |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| EmperorAtahualpa: Okay, I'm also one of those Rxh7-Qh3+ folks...... I already had a gut feeling that this would be wrong though, because that move would be too obvious for a Sunday puzzle. And of course in the variation containing Rxh7 and Qh3+, you just can't get that f-pawn to f6.. Respect to those people that did manage to find this puzzle! |
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Nov-27-05
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| Richard Taylor: Although above (!!) after 23...xh7 24.h3+ and then f6 transposes to the lines above and seems also to win fairly easily.
Well it's 2 a.m. in Kiwiland and the cat is sitting on my desk and beside me - it either wants my chair or to get on to my bed - grrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Nov-27-05
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| Richard Taylor: <EmperorAtahualpa: Okay, I'm also one of those Rxh7-Qh3+ folks...... I already had a gut feeling that this would be wrong though, because that move would be too obvious for a Sunday puzzle. And of course in the variation containing Rxh7 and Qh3+, you just can't get that f-pawn to f6..> You can! there is no <of course> 22. Rxh7 wins and is probably better (or as good as) than what was played...my analysis is above your post!! |
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Nov-27-05
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| Richard Taylor: Rxh7 wins and I would have played it as it (frequently in these attacks you cant calculate every move but you can sense or evaluate that one side is wininng -see "Judgement and Planning in Chess" by Euwe) brings the King into an attack and then with f6 a mate is threatened on g7or h8 soon and Black is trying to break though as he does his Q cant get back to defend the mate -it is just as good as fxe6 -it means that White sacrifices a R and a Knight for time so that he can get his pieces into postion to demolish Black - exf6 is the more "obvious" move. |
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Nov-27-05
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| Richard Taylor: The line played is excellent - quite beautiful -but if I had worked on that line I think I would (or may have) found that - it often depends which course of action you concentrate on... there are some pretty ideas in that line Velmirovic played and indeed it is elegant... |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| bishopmate: didn't once look at fxe6, never imagined that a move like that would lead to mate!!... but then again, that's y im not world class |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| Koster: <Soltari> According to old analysis by Kasparov & Nikitin 14...Nxe5 is good- 15. Qh5 Ng6 16. Rh1 Bb7 17. Rg3 Rfc8 18. Rh3 Nf8 19. Rdh4 Bg2! 20. Rg3 Qc6  .
14...dxe5 also isn't bad. |
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Nov-27-05
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| kevin86: My try was 22 xh7 xh7 23 h3+ but i don't think it goes very far--but maybe it does!? |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| apoorv: i didn't look through all the variations but even OTB, i would've played Rxh7, since it seems to win (looks a lot less complex than what actually happened in the game |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| babakova: 22.Rxh7? does NOT win. 22...Kxh7!(no need for other variations when this is clearly strongest) 23.Qh3+ Kg8 24.f6 Bxb3 25.Rg4 (as earlier recommended) Rc8! white has no time to put his rook on h4 and mate on h8 since his own king is under heavy pressure. A silly variation is 26.Rh4 Rxc2+ 27.Kd1 Rc3 discovered check and the white queen falls. |
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Nov-27-05
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| dakgootje: <kevin86> well just look a lil back, because <Richard Taylor> analysted those moves quite good...especcialy his first few posts at this game, untill the point where I interrupt ;-) |
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Nov-27-05
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| dakgootje: yeah, I dont like computers too much but i cant deny that their analyses are at least almost always correct |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| Guest1825: I got the fxe6 move, but not the Qh3 move. I was consumed by possibilities of controlling the open file, which sludged up my mating attack. So I decided to go with the first move, and partial victory. Because I knew it was winning, but not sure how it converted to mate! How much time should be spent solving these things? I'm spending about 1 to 3 minutes tops. <Chessgames>, could you add a "timer" to these puzzles? i.e. puzzle to be solved in 2 min.? |
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Nov-27-05
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| LIFE Master AJ: I took a short nap, then woke up and tackled this puzzle. I must have been half asleep, I didn't come close to solving it. (I chose f6 and Qh3, it gives White a strong attack, but is not 1/10 as convincing as the continuation in the actual game.) It is also a game of nearly unparalleled brilliance by Velimmirovic. (I have annotated several of his game on my "Angel-Fire" web site, I like this game so much, I may have to add it to my collection.) |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| Dick Brain: I would certainly never have gotten this one if I hadn't already played the game over on several occasions. 22. Rxh7 is tempting with the following qh3+, f6, and the rook lift on the fourth rank, but the Black attack is too fast. |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| RookFile: I can't help but be reminded of Fischer's game with Geller. Fischer
had a win, but made a slight inaccuracy, and it was Geller who
emerged with the win. This position
is very similar, one wrong move, and it will be black who wins rather than white. I didn't come close to solving this.
Fischer vs Geller, 1967 |
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Nov-27-05
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| Richard Taylor: <babakova: 22.Rxh7? does NOT win. 22...Kxh7!(no need for other variations when this is clearly strongest) 23.Qh3+ Kg8 24.f6 Bxb3 25.Rg4 (as earlier recommended) Rc8! white has no time to put his rook on h4 and mate on h8 since his own king is under heavy pressure. A silly variation is 26.Rh4 Rxc2+ 27.Kd1 Rc3 discovered check and the white queen falls> I'm not sure of his although I did miss Rc8 which looks like a killer - but after 22. Rxh7 Kxh7 23. Qh3+ Kg8 24. f6 Bxb3 25. axb3 Now if 25. ...Qa1+ 26. Kd2
Buy 25 .... Rc8 looks strong.
But 26. Rg4 Qa2 27. Rh4 Rxc2+ 28. Kxc2 Rc8+ 29. Bc3 and wins However this variatin shows how alert one must be in this type of position! I would have played some kind of move like Rxh7 or fxe6 even without knowing the precise method of winning and even if I lost after Rxh7 -so what?? - it would be cowardly not to play it if I thought it was winning. Let's get subjective here!!
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Nov-27-05
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| khense: I got the f5 X e6, the Qh3 and the rxh7 with what looks like a winning attack. I think I won most positioins that good, but probably lost some. |
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Nov-28-05
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| Richard Taylor: I forgot again that of course after 25 ...Qa1+ 26. Kd2 Qxb1 wins. Lol. |
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Nov-28-05
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| Richard Taylor: However!! 22. Rxh7 Kxh7 23. Qh3+ Kg8 24. f6 Bxb3 25. Qxb3 is not so clear -
this is all academic of course... also after 22. Rxh7 kx Q checks etc then fxe6 maybe possibe -in the light of Shredders Rc8 Velmirovic's "first" move 22. fxe6 is best -in fact it is fairly logical and quite a beautiful sequence -but it's intersting to try out other attacks to see how far one can get in attack and defence in this type of position. |
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| Nov-28-05 |
| Averageguy: Lol, my namesake got completely owned!
He must have studied my games ;-) |
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Dec-02-05
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| LIFE Master AJ: After getting an e-mail about this game, I took a few minutes and looked at the following line:
22.Rxh7?!, Really an inferior move. (Maybe - '?') 22...Kxh7; 23.f6? Bxb3; 24.cxb3 Rc8+; 25.Kb1 Bf8; 26.h4 Qc7; 27.Qe2 Bc5; "  " Fritz 8.0 ... after about 10 minutes ... has Black winning by some 7-10 points. (The 'evals' keep fluctuating.) |
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Dec-02-05
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| patzer2: White's 22. fxe6! and 23. Qh3! prepare the demolition of pawn structure combination 24. Rxh7!! to decisively exploit the weak Black King position. |
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Dec-03-05
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| LIFE Master AJ: <patzer2> I could not agree ... more. |
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