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Jul-12-04
 | | Reisswolf: Man, this is what I call a good old thrashing! White has got to be an NN-level player. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | JacoPastorius: Who are these people? |
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| Jul-12-04 | | chessfected: Perhaps 12.Bd3 would have been better?
12...Qxd3 13. Qxg4 Bb4+ 14. Nc3 Bxc3+ 15. bc Qxc3+ 16. Ke2 and White may be able to hang on.
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12...Bxf3 13. Bxg6 Bxg2 14. Bxh7+ Kxh7 15. Rg1 and Black is better with the two Bishops but still has to work to win. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | Dudley: This is the Englund gambit, an unsound response to 1.d4 which really shouldn't work. White cooperates nicely by delaying puposeful development and allowing black to set up a nice criss-cross mate with the bishops. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | macphearsome: I saw 13...Bb4+ 14.Nd2 Bxd2+ 15.Kxd2 Rxb2+ 16.Kc3 Qc2# or 16.Kc1 Qc2# I know it's longer, but it works. I think. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | erikcu: 13 Qxa7.. black to play and win.
wouldn't Bb4+ also work?
13. Qxa7 Bb4+ 14. Nd2 Qc2 15. Rd1 Bxd2 16.Rxd2 Qb1 17. Rd1 Qd1# |
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Jul-12-04
 | | tpstar: <macphearsome> Almost! White escapes with 13 ... Bb4+!? 14. Nc3 Bxc3+ (14 ... Qc2 15. Nge2) 15. bxc3 16. Rb1+ 17. Kd2 (17 ... Rxa1 18. Bd3). <erikcu> Almost! White escapes with 13 ... Bb4+!? 14. Nc3 as above, except 14. Nd2? Bxd2+ works (like macphearsome said) but not 14. Nd2? Qc2? 15. Be2 (15 ... Qxd2+ 16. Kf1). The game continuation was the clearest win. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | Dudley: Yes, that works, playing on the same theme, but it's not as accurate as the actual game continuation. The line you mentioned <eriku> was the one I was looking at when I realized that white has no defense if you simply get rid of the knight before Bb4+. |
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Jul-12-04
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: I think the best move of the game was 9...Re8, not only a diabolical trap but also a sound developing move that maintains the initiative. Note that Ravikumar eschews the move 9...Ne5, which threatens Nxf3 and Nd3+, in favor of a move which keeps the Ne5 threat and adds even more winning chances. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | erikcu: Yup I see the escape now... and why even mess with it when you can straight out win... I imagine I would be white in this scenario... totally out ranked. |
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Jul-12-04
 | | cu8sfan: I saw 13. ... b4+ which I think also wins but 13. ... b1+ certanly is faster. |
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Jul-12-04
| | cu8sfan: <Dudley> Can you tell me which castle is your avatar? Thanks! |
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| Jul-12-04 | | DWINS: tpstar, White does not escape after 13...Bb4+ 14.Nc3. Black mates with 14...Bxc3+
15.bxc3 Rb1+ 16.Kd2 Rb2+ 17.Ke1 Qc2
18.Be2 Bxe2 19.Ne4 Bd3 followed by Qe2++
If 18.Ne4 Rb1+ 19.Rxb1 Qxb1+
20.Kd2 Qd1++ |
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Jul-12-04
| | Reisswolf: <JacoPastorius>, are you the man himself, or are you just a fan using his name? |
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| Jul-12-04 | | mack: Wouldn't something along the lines of ...Ra8 ...Rxa2 work? |
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| Jul-12-04 | | Tennyson: <dudley> Instead of "criss-cross mate" shouldn't it be called Boden's Mate? It think that's the term when two Bishops deliver mate, usually involving a major piece sac to set it up. |
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Jul-12-04
 | | Geronimo: Agreed with <Englishman> that Re8 over Ne5 was the "master move". <Reisswolf>: It must be a fan, cause the great bass player died almost 20 years ago. That said, welcome to the site <Jaco>, great name btw. |
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Jul-12-04
 | | kevin86: The Englund gambit turns into a Freddie Kruger nightmare for white. The checkmate in two by axing white's nascant knight is amusing. Whether white runs or takes the queen,the mate is the same! |
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| Jul-12-04 | | ruylopez900: Hmm, got it backwards I think. I said 13...Bb4+, but I think it still leads to mate eventually, just not as fast as the answer/text move. |
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Jul-12-04
 | | notyetagm: I really like how Black sets up the beautiful mate in 2 based on the tactic REMOVAL OF THE GUARD (13 ... QxN+!) by the two skewers against the White queen 11 ... Bg4 (gaining control of e2 and d1) and 12 ... Rab8 (driving the queen from defense of the b4 square). Nice, very nice. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | Calchexas: Gah! Whenever I scroll down the main CG page, I think I see the name "Srinivasa Ramanujan." Serves me right for hanging out on all those math sites. ;) What a weird mate. It's a cool puzzle, and I got it here, but I doubt I would have seen it OTB. |
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Jul-12-04
 | | acirce: The 1729 guy. |
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| Jul-12-04 | | sarayu: Saadhu, saadhu! Yah Bahotachhaa hai! Thik hai! (Sarvabhyaam bhadram astu!) |
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Jul-12-04
| | tpstar: <DWINS> You are correct that Black has a forced mate after 13 ... Bb4+ since White's pieces cannot coordinate any successful defense along the second rank. Nicely done. |
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Jul-12-04
 | | crafty: 13...b4+ 14.  d2 c2 15. e4 xe4 16.  c1 f4  (eval -6.09; depth 13 ply; 500M nodes) |
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