|Jul-18-04|| ||Marius: 15. ...Kd8 16.Bb5 :
-... Qxd1 17. RaxQ+,Kc8 18.Re8#
-... c6 17. Re8+,KxR 18.Qxd5,cxb5 19. Re1+,Ne7 20.RxN+,Kf8 21.Qd7 and win
After i wrote these lines (which are probaly wrong, help please) i wonder if 16. Bf5 is good
16. ... Qxd1 17 Raxd1+, Bd4 18. Rxd4 #
But if 16. ... c6 it doesn't work.
Can someone tell me if i'm correct?
|Jul-18-04|| ||kurathedog: if b-b5, then Qxd1 - rd8 mate |
|Jul-18-04|| ||Marius: no the rook is pin by the queen |
|Jul-18-04|| ||kurathedog: yeah, saw that right after I wrote it - sorry. |
|Aug-10-04|| ||patzer2: After 15...Kd8, Morphy would have created an unusual won "pinned" position with 16. Bc4!!|
Morphy's play would likely continue 15...Kd8 16. Bc4!! Nf6 (16...Qxd1 17. Raxd1+ Bd4 18. Rxd4 Kc1 19. Re8#) 17. Bxd5 Kc8 18. Qa4 with an overwhelming advantage.
<Marius> Your idea 15...Kd8 16. Bd5! also wins, but takes a little longer than 16. Bc4!! Play in this line could go 15...Kd8 16. Bd5 Nf6 17. Qa4 Qf5 18. Rad1+ Kc8 19. Bd3 Qg4 20. Qxg4+ Nxg4 21. Bf5+ with a winning "double attack."
The tempting 15...Kd8 16. Re8+?! only leads to a draw after 16...Kxe8 17. Qe1+ Qe6 (not 17...Kd7?? 18. Bf5+ Qxf5 19. Rd1+ Kc6 20. Ne5+ Kb5 21. Rb1+ Ka6 22. Qf1+ ) 18. Bf5 Qxe1+ 19. Rxe1+ Kd8 20. Rd1+ Ke8 21. Re1+ etc., with a draw by perpetual check.
|Sep-22-04|| ||joebassin: I think the best here is 15...Qe6 16. Bb5 Nc6 17. Qd5 Ne7 18. Rxe6 O-O 19. Bxe7 fxe6 20. Bxf8 with advantage to white |
|Oct-16-04|| ||Marius: thank you patzer 2 for your comments and the improvment that you find |
|Jan-25-05|| ||seelyons: 15.Bb5 is more accurate ill leave the continuation |
|Jan-25-05|| ||seelyons: 15.Bb5 Qxb5 16.Re1+ Ne7 17.Rb1 Qa6(to avoid discovered check)18.Rxe7 Kf8 19.Qd5 Qc4 20.Rxf7 Kg8 21.Rf8++
|Jan-25-05|| ||seelyons: im right all of your continuations are ridiculous... |
|Jan-10-06|| ||morpstau: Why not 7...Bb4+??? this move for black in my opinion equalizes at once. What happen to the phrase like father like son? Alonzo was again outclassed by a superior force indeed!|
|Jul-08-06|| ||RookFile: Well I suspect Morphy would have continued with 8. Kf1, as Dr. Lasker did:|
Lasker vs Raimond, 1892
|Oct-20-07|| ||qskakaley: Well, I agree that 15.Bb5 is better, but why would Black play 17...Qa6? Better is 17...Qd7 and White is still winning, but at least Black is putting up a fight. Also, in your continuation, 19...Qc4? is also not correct. Better is 19...Bxf2+.|
|Mar-13-09|| ||WhiteRook48: ...Kd8 Bb5+|
|May-17-12|| ||e4 resigns: Wait- I don't think Morphy played Re1+.
Didn't he play Bb5? Morphy vs A Morphy, 1849
Anyways, Bb5 is better.
Unless they played 2 games with the same moves and Morphy found an improvement at move 15...