Jun-12-12
 | | FSR: I believe this was 1-0, not 0-1. Black's position is falling apart. |
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| Jan-22-13 | | jerseybob: FSR: I looked up the crosstable and it's listed 0-1, even though you're absolutely right about the position. So time forfeit? But what could the time limit have been for that tourney? BTW, missing from this database is Karklins' 26-move win over Evans at the 1973 U.S. Chp., which I'm sure gave Evans huge incentive to win this game. And he almost did. |
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Jan-22-13
 | | Phony Benoni: This copy of the crosstable shows Evans winning:
http://graeme.50webs.com/chesschamp...
That makes sense. The time control was very likely 40/2 1/2, so if White made 41 moves there was probably an adjournment rathan a time forfeit. The colors probably aren't reversed; checking the game list at http://www.365chess.com/tournaments... shows that Evans switched around opening moves and played 1.c4 several times, while Karklins was strictly a 1.e4 player. I'll put this one up at the Bistro and see if somebody can consult the Chess Life & Review CD-ROM, which goes through 1975. |
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Jan-22-13
| | FSR: As I discussed at the Bistro, I checked the CL&R DVD, and the game was 1-0, not 0-1. |
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| Jan-23-13 | | jerseybob: FSR: If I erred, I'll happily stand corrected. I don't have any USCF DVD's, but googling in the words "U.S. Chess Championship 1974" took me to the site www.queensac.com (under the heading "Chess is Fun"), and in that site was what purported to be the 1974 crosstable, with the result Evans 0, Karklins 1. I counted wins, draws and losses for both players and they added up to what the table claimed they should be. |
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Jan-23-13
| | FSR: <jerseybob> Not sure exactly where on the queensac.com site the cross-table you saw is. I Googled and found the same link <Phony Benoni> found. It shows Browne winning, and Evans and Benko tying for second, which I know is correct. (That's what Chess Life & Review had.) Like the CL&R cross-table, it also shows Evans beating Karklins. |
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Jan-23-13
| | Phony Benoni: Here's the crosstable from queensac.com:
http://www.queensac.com/archive/tou... It's under "Great Game Archive" - Great Chess tournaments and matches - The Karpov Era". Apparently, it's not an uncommon error in Internet Land. The http://www.365chess.com/tournaments... link I mentioned yesterday also has Karklins winning. Perhaps there may be some confusion because Karklins did beat Evans in the 1973 Championship: http://graeme.50webs.com/chesschamp... |
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| Jan-23-13 | | jerseybob: Phony: Thanks for the posts, and I'm aware of the 1973 game. That didn't throw me off. I'm so low-tech it's pathetic: I've been going through old CL&R's but am missing the Oct.'74 issue, the one with that game. |
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Jan-23-13
| | FSR: That queensac table is a wreck. Compare http://graeme.50webs.com/chesschamp... (which looks like the table I saw in CL&R) with the queensac table at http://www.queensac.com/archive/tou.... Browne, Benko, Reshevsky, Weinstein, Soltis, Zuckerman, and Commons have the correct number of points. However, Saidy actually got 7.5 points, not 8.5. Evans actually got 8, not 7. Bisguier got 7, not 6. Grefe actually got 7, not 7.5. Rogoff got 7, not 5.5. Karklins got 4.5, not 5.5. Gilden got 3.5, not 4.5. |
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Jan-23-13
| | Phony Benoni: <FSR> Hmm. Looks like we need to check our database a little more carefully. L C Gilden vs Bisguier, 1974 also appears to have the wrong result, matching "queensac" rathan "graeme". The tournament needs to be collected anyway. |
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| Jan-24-13 | | jerseybob: I've gotta say,this whole thing has been an eye-opener. There's loads of online stuff I already don't trust, subjective, opinion things, but something that's supposedly "Fact"? |
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Jan-24-13
| | FSR: <jerseybob> I too found it surprising. You'd think that copying a cross-table correctly wouldn't be too difficult. |
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| Jan-24-13 | | jerseybob: I've been the victim of a couple of mis-reportings myself: back in my postal days playing in CBMC, one of my wins was published with me as the loser(groan!), and after beating Larsen in a simul my name was mis-spelled by CL&R(Jan.'71) |
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Jan-24-13
| | Phony Benoni: I actually had a game published in "Inside Chess" once (a loss to one of the DeFoti), but it was entered under my first name rather than my last. By the way, I think some of those faulty crosstables are automatically generated by databases. Look at the Queensac crosstable again, and you'll see it was generated using ChessBase. So if a game was entered into the database with an incorrect result, that screws up the crosstable. |
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