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|Sep-30-04|| ||offramp: Another windmill-effect. Very good! |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Nickisimo: Yeah, my gut feeling was Qxh8+, and after a minute of quick confirmation, this one was a slam dunk. "If I only had a brain..." |
|Sep-30-04|| ||erikcu: Another round of the "too easy" kibitzes I am sure; perhaps its just me, but I think the puzzles this week have had aesthetically pleasing endings. Be they are easy or not. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||mrvocab: How is this the Old Indian? It looks like the King's Indian, fianchetto variation. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Rank Amateur: Well, it was easy, cause I don't usually solve it on Thursday. But I always like a windmill. And I did look at a lot of other stuff before throwing away the queen. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||themindset: 42. to play and win would have been quit tough, tho. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||themindset: ps - this is not an old indian, it's a King's Indian Fiachetto. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||themindset: i meant to say 43. to play and win |
|Sep-30-04|| ||themindset: although fritz finds 45...Qd8, which seems to hold, with a slight edge to white. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Gypsy: Interposition <46...Qh7> would have been a better defense. |
Because of that, the quiet <46.h4>, with subsequent <Re7> and/or <Qg5+>, may be preferable to <46.Qh8>. Black is so tied up that he has no adequate retort.
|Sep-30-04|| ||clocked: <Gypsy> 46.h4?? |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Willem Wallekers: And another defender bites the dust. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Benzol: <Gypsy> That's an interesting defence. Does white have a win in the pawn ending after 46...h7 47.xg8 xg8 48.xg6+ xg6 49.xg6 xg6? |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Gypsy: < clocked: <Gypsy> 46.h4??> Did I missed something embarasing after h4?|
White can get an extra tempo for that pawn endgame <Benzol>; eg, <46.Qxh8+ Qh7 47.Qxh7 Kxh7 48.Rxg6 Rxg6> and, say, <49.Kf3 K~ 50.Bxg6 Kxg6 ...> I do believe it is a win for White.
|Sep-30-04|| ||Benzol: <Gypsy> Yes, that does seem a better way to do it. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Benzol: <clocked> Are you suggesting 47.f6 keeping black tied up in knots? |
|Sep-30-04|| ||clocked: 46.Qxh8+ Qh7 47.Qf6 Qd7 (else mate) 48.Qxg6+ Rxg6 49.Rxg6+ Kh7 50.Rxd6+ etc.|
want to see a mate? 47... Qg7 48.Qf5 d5 49.g4 hxg4 50.hxg4 Kh7 51.Qh5+ Qh6 52.Re7+ Rg7 53.Bxg6+ Kh8 54.Qxh6+ Kg8 55.Re8#
|Sep-30-04|| ||Gypsy: Lol, I have a soft spot for pawn endgames <clocked>! |
But we a have a bit of a miscom here: I see 46.h4 as the best way to press the White positional dominance (provided I am not missing something tactical, I am geting close to a zombie state). In contrast, after 46.Qxh8 Qh7 some sort of liquidation may realy be in order. One can try 47.Qf6, but after 47...Qg7 I'd probably head for the pawn endgame.
|Sep-30-04|| ||Willem Wallekers: This discussion on 46 ... Qh7 is silly and pointless. The endgame after 47. Qxh7+ Kxh7 48.Rxd6 is elementary. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||sandyobrien: too easy for a thursday!!! |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Willem Wallekers: <clocked>
Do you ever play otb chess?
|Sep-30-04|| ||SamuelS: If I were a computer, I would play the line suggested by <clocked> (46. Qxh8+ Qh7 47. Qf6! etc), but because it is difficult to calculate ten moves ahead accurately, I would simplify to the pawn endgame, which should give White very good winning chances. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||Willem Wallekers: The pawn endgame is a deadsure win. |
|Sep-30-04|| ||patzer2: While 43. Nxg6!? is interesting, it seems to fizzle out to a drawish ending after <themindset>'s suggestion of 45...Qd8! |
Play might continue 45...Qd8! 46. Qf4+ Qg4! 47. Qxg4+ Kxg4 48. f4+! Nxf4 49. gxf4 Kxf4 with good drawing chances for Black.
|Sep-30-04|| ||ChessPraxis: I totally agree with Willem. |
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