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|Aug-07-04|| ||iron maiden: What a game! To beat a reigning WC is historically unique for a player of Karjakin's age; not even Fischer ever did it.|
<acirce> I agree, I think Kramnik is unfairly being made a scapegoat because he made one or two more early draws than anyone else this year. BTW, I've been away; how did the tournament go?
<PinkPanther> A belated welcome back.
|Aug-07-04|| ||acirce: <iron maiden> your absence was noted, where have you been? The tournament went pretty fine, I won my group with +3 =4 =0 thereby making some money and most important some new rating points :-) <uponthehill> also did a good job in a recent tourney and we were both posting some of our games on the FIDE World Championship (2004) page (sort of off-topic but ..) and some discussion has occurred. |
|Aug-07-04|| ||iron maiden: <acirce> Nice job! But I don't think it was quite good enough for that Kramnik match... :-)|
BTW I've been in New York City since July 24th on a mission trip with my church.
|Aug-07-04|| ||acirce: Oh, you're a missionary? Well, the draw rate was still a bit low, but at least I tried by the 8-mover in the 3rd round etc.. btw I meant +3 =4 -0 above, of course. |
|Aug-07-04|| ||clocked: <Zenchess> and <acirce> I made a quick check on the 25 and under move draws...
I looked at 1999,2000,2003,2004 super tourneys of Anand, Leko, and Kramnik|
The 2nd row is if Linares 2004 is excluded
Percentage of "quick draws"
Leko:30 Anand:31 Kramnik:34
:27 31 31
Percentage of these as white
Leko:37 Anand:38 Kramnik:40
42 38 37
So if we exclude Linares 2004 (which he won!) Kramnik's quick draw tendencies don't look very different from Anand's.
Maybe someone with database software could make a better comparison...?
|Aug-07-04|| ||patzer2: I'm with <Acirce> in admiring Karjakin's play in this one. Compare it to Bologan vs Kramnik, 2004 in the same tournament, where Kramnik overwhelms a very strong GM in the same opening to get an appreciation of the depth and strength of Karjakin's play here.|
Karjakin's strong grasp of opening strategy, positional concepts and sharp endgame play at such a young age makes him a fearsome challenge at the super GM level.
I'm in awe of his knowledge and ability and I'm sure the GMs who will have to face him in the future are impressed as well!
|Aug-08-04|| ||acirce: Interesting <clocked>, that's what I thought. I had done a couple of quick calculations but nothing that systematic. Thank you. |
|Aug-08-04|| ||patzer2: Karjakin's 36. e6+! is a pretty example of a positional deflection sacrifice to gain an endgame advantage. After 36. e6+! Kxe6 37. Re3+ Kf7, White gets an initiative in the late middlegame and/or early endgame transition that is very hard for Black to counter.|
Maybe Black missed some good drawing chances (such as 40...Rb8!?), but that does not take away from the depth and strength of Karjakin's near flawless play in this contest.
|Aug-08-04|| ||patzer2: Notice that Karjakin does not fall for 59. Rxg6?? Be4+ 60. Kb2 Bxg6 61. Kxa3 Kc5 62. a6 Kb5 63. a7 Be4 64. h5 Ka6 65. a8Q+ Bxa8 66. h6 Be4 =, where Black is able to chase down both passed rook pawns and swindle a draw. |
|Aug-10-04|| ||Zenchess: I think Karjakin would have a better chance if Kramnik is the champ; he keeps coming close against him. Rajdabov would have trouble against Kasparov; Kasparov just doen't play like himself when facing Radja. |
|Aug-11-04|| ||Airlock: Seems to be an excellent endgame by Kajarkin. |
|Aug-11-04|| ||Zenchess: I agree; I think him and Smyslov are/were the two must subborn players around when it came to squeezing out an endgame win. Karjakin would have a better chance against Kramnik than Kasparov because he would have a better chance of squeezing out some of these endings once he gets a little more experience. |
|Oct-14-04|| ||alexandrovm: It seems like Kramnik was unconfortable to lose this game to a "child". He lost in 90 moves! Sergey proved to Kramnik that he is a great player...but not that great ;) |
|Oct-14-04|| ||iron maiden: BTW, what was the exact time control for this game? |
|Oct-14-04|| ||acirce: 10 5 according to ICC. |
|Oct-15-04|| ||alexandrovm: a very fast time control |
|May-12-05|| ||Backward Development: So I guess this 9...Ne7, 10...Ng6 and subsequent Bb4 maneuver is Kramnik's new way of handling the Berlin? Very nice win by the youngster where countless others failed, even in a blitz game.|
|Aug-19-05|| ||offramp: I think if you learn chess very young, like Capablanca, Reshevsky and Karpov, you are more of a positional player, but if you learn it relatively late, like Blackburne or Nezhmetdinov, you are more of a tactical player. What a boring comment. It's hardly worth posting. I might as well now that I've bothered to spell Nezhmetdinov.|
|Aug-20-05|| ||SEMENELIN: <offramp> i don't agree with what you have stated earlier. I think Karjakin had a good ending game. No matter if youre a late bloomer age doesnt interpret a chess player how he plays.
Observe this game carefully. This game is to the death. It is the mastery of the endgame that is being emphasized here. Karjakin had a good ending game.
End games are the most exciting part of a chess game.|
|Aug-20-05|| ||offramp: <SEMENELIN> I agree with all that you said.|
|Aug-24-05|| ||Queens Gambit: Young prodigy here win to Kramnik in a very nice way.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||alexandrovm: Sergey won this with a lot of energy, 90 moves for a dificult game to win. This time his agressive king did well and was a key factor, together with his bishop, for this nice game over Kramnik.|
|Mar-28-06|| ||jamesmaskell: Fantastic endgame technique by Karjakin. I wouldnt have bothered fighting to the end there, I would happilly have given a draw offer and been proud to have gotten the half point against Kramnik's Berlin Defence. It takes a lot of willpower to stay out that long in a very tricky endgame.|
|Mar-28-06|| ||pawn to QB4: Yes, truly a fantastic game. I appreciate that Karjakin had more opportunity than Fischer to take on great masters, but it's still worth noting that the earliest win by RJF against a comparable master seems to be Smyslov vs Fischer, 1959 and he was older than Karjakin at the time. How we would have raved over a win like this...a great world champion had failed to break Kramnik's defence in this opening throughout an entire match. I wonder how many times we'll see this level of skill and determination from Karjakin in the fututre?|
|Mar-28-06|| ||keypusher: <pawn to QB$> Actually this was Fischer's first win over a top-flight Soviet GM, played in June 1959: Fischer vs Keres, 1959|
Your point still holds, though.
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