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Sep-24-04
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| OneArmedScissor: Yes I love the movie 'Cool Hand Luke' |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| Marco65: Isn't 25.bxc3 better? E.g. 25...Bxe4 26.Bc1 can Black mate from here? |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| boyhimud: Im new to chess, can somebody please explain why 29. rf4 |
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Sep-24-04
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| Sneaky: boyhimud, the rook is under attack--Black threatens Qxf1+, so you can see why White was thinking he must either protect it or move it. But White didn't have any good move there, everything seems to lose. Moving it didn't work as we see in the game, it loses a piece. 30.Nf3 loses to ...Rxf1+ followed by Qxf1+ (or Qxf1+ first if you want to be a show-off :-) |
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Sep-24-04
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| Willem Wallekers: <Marco65>
Black wins by 26. ... b3 27. axb3 Qxb3+ 28. Ka1 Bxc2.
A little better but not good enough according to computer analysis is 26. Ne3 Nd5.
<boyhimud, Sneaky>
That's right. |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| CavaleiroNegro: a beatifull and unusual game , i love this! |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| Marco65: <Willem Wallekers> thanks |
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Sep-24-04
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| kevin86: This one looked bad for black early-white had many pieces menacing the center,but black was gradually able to press on while his opponent was stagnant. The finish was a circus of double attacks-which yielded 3 pieces for a rook and a pawn. "What we have here is a failure to communicate!!!" CHL |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| themindset: isn't this a pirc? (an early deviation of the Austrian attack?) |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| Wild Bard: Actually, it's a Robatsch (Modern). The king's knight stays at home for a while to guard the K-side holes while black seeks counterplay in the centre or Q-side. The Pirc involves an early Nf6. |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| Drudge: I'm a big newbie at chess. Why cannot White play:
30. Qe7? Then won't black have to move his rook to a8 to prevent Rc3-Rc7? so then white could play Rf5. Black will have to move his queen to f5. then white can play a4. preventing black queen to b5. Not sure what black would play then. But assuming he did nothin about the rook on c3 could white then move c3rook to c7 takin the pawn. Then if black took that rook with his rook white could get a draw? --- |
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Sep-24-04
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| patzer2: McShane's 23...Rxe4!! initiates a deep and subtle combination, to mount an attack on White's weakened Queenside castled position. An expanded analysis follows: Main Variation: 23... xe4 24.  xe4  c3+ 25. xc3
(A.) [25. bxc3 26. Bxe4 Ne3 27. Nxd5!]
(A.1.) (27. Kb2 bxc3 28. Bxc3 Qb5+ 29. Ka1 Nxc3! 30. Rb1? (30. Qf7 d5 ) 30...Nxb1 31. Rxb1 Bxd4+ 32. c3 Qb1#) (A.2.) (27. Ka1 Bxd4! 28. cxd4 b3 29. cxb3 Qxd4+ 30. Bc3 Qxc3+ 31. Qb2 Qxb2+ 32. Kxb2 Nxe3  ) (A.3.) (27. cxb4 Bxd4 28. Be1 Bxe3 29. Qe2 Nxb4 30. Bxb4 (30. Qc4 Bxc2+ ) 30...Qxb4+ 31. Ka1 Qc3+ 32. Kb1 Ka7 ) (A.4.) (27. Rc1 b3! 28. axb3 Qxb3+ 29. Ka1 Qa3+ 30. Kb1 Ka7 ) (A.5.) (27. Qh4 bxc3 28. Qxd8+ Kb7 29. Bxc3 Nxe3! 30. Rf2 (30. Rd2 Qb5+ ) 30...Nxd1 31. Ba5 (31. Ba1 Nxf2 ) 31...Qxa5 32. Rf8 Bxd4 33. Qa8+ Kb6 34. Rb8+ Kc5 35. Qxe4 (35. Qa7+ Kc4) 35...Nc3+ 36. Kc1 Nxe4 ) (A. Continued) [25. bxc3 26. Bxe4 Ne3 27. Nd5! Bxd5 28. Be1 Qxa2+ 29. Kc1 Qa1+ 30. Kd2 bxc3+ 31. Ke2 (31. Kd3 Qxd1+ ) 31...Re8+ 32. Kd3 Qxd1+ ] (B.) [25. Kc1 (25. Ka1 Qxa2#) 25...Qxa2 26. Bxc3 Nc4 27. b3 bxc3 28. Bxb7 Qb2#] Main Variation (continued): 23...xe4 24. xe4 c3+ 25. xc3 bxc3 26.  e3 (C.) [26. Bxb7? Qb4 27. b3 Qa3 28. Nxd6 Qb2#]
(D.) [26. Qh4? Qb4 27. Qxd8+ Ka7 28. b3 Qa3 29. Bxb7 Qb2#] (E.) [26. Rd3 Bxe4 27. Rxc3 Rf8  is the game continuation] Main Variation (continued): 23...xe4 24. xe4 c3+ 25. xc3 bxc3 26. e3 xe4 27. b3 (26...Qxe4?? 27. Qb4 b3 28. Qa3 ) 27...a3 28. c1 b4 |
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Sep-24-04
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| patzer2: <Drudge> Welcome to ChessGames.com. Glad you're taking an interest in the game. You may wish to take a look at some of the help links above to familiarize yourself a bit more with the game and this site. The move you selected to examine (is not a bad choice given White's predicament (trying to save a lost game). After 30. Qe7, Black simply plays 30...Rc8 (I think that's what you intended), holding a solid won position and awaiting White's next move |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| Drudge: patzer2 Yes i ment c8.
So what happens after black plays Rc8 and then white plays Rf5? |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| xqdashi: <Drudge>
30. Qe7 Rc8 31. Rxf5 Qxf5 32. a4 is
winning for black. And your further
idea of Rxc7 Rxc7 to get a draw(??)
doesn't work. e.g. pick a reasonable
move by black which allows Rxc7 (say 32...Bxd4 or whatever) then 33. Rxc7
Rxc7 and what? after Q checks on back rank white runs out of checks e.g.
34. Qd8+(Qe8+) Qc8 or 34. Qd8+(Qe8+) Kb7 seem ok. |
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Sep-24-04
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| Willem Wallekers: <Drudge>
Welcome in the fascinating world of chess. Heed patzer2's advice and try to practice with other novices of flesh an blood, rather than computer programs. I wish you lots of fun and success. |
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| Sep-24-04 |
| aw1988: <patzer2> You must have no trouble winning games. Any move played against you has already been analyzed! |
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Sep-24-04
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| Hanada: <Patzer> I am confused by your A column. You have the variation:
(A.) [25. bxc3 26. Bxe4 Ne3 27. Nxd5!]
As I look at this, the first thing I notice is that your notation seems to be off when you have white making the capture Bxe4. That would be black's capture, no? In addition, how can black capture Nxd5??? There is nothing on that square to capture. Here is the line I saw in this variation: 23)...Rxe4 24)Bxe4 Nc3+
Now if...
A)25)bxc3 Bxe4 26)Ne3 b3! and I think that may do the trick..... Does that make sense...I hope so. |
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Sep-24-04
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| patzer2: <aw1988> No I'm not that good. When I was an active tournament player I did well against class A players, but most experts and Masters usually got the better of me. However, with the benefit of hindsight and plenty of research and time, it's not too hard to analyze and find improvements in games played after the fact. |
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Sep-24-04
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| patzer2: <Hanada> Thanks for the catch, and sorry for the confusion. I double checked, but obviously missed it in the (A.) line. The correction to the (A.) line is
(A.) [25. bxc3 Bxe4 26. Ne3 Nd5!]
and now all the (A.1 to (A.5) subvariations should make sense, with (A.2) and (A.4) being perhaps the most interesting and instructive lines. The complete (A. Continued) line (below the A.5 line)should read (A. Continued) [25. bxc3 Bxe4 26. Ne3 Nd5 27. Nxd5 (A.1 to A.5 analyze other White 27th move alternatives) 27...Bxd5 28. Be1 Qxa2+ 29. Kc1 Qa1+ 30. Kd2 bxc3+ 31. Ke2 (31. Kd3 Qxd1+ ) 31...Re8+ 32. Kd3 Qxd1+ ] |
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Sep-24-04
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| IMlday: 10. 0-0-0 looks risky!
mysterious game! |
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Sep-25-04
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| Hanada: <Patzer> Ah, I see now. Good, I thought I was seeing phantoms...I have been known to do that from time to time. In your analysis you have 26)...Nd5!
What do you think of 26)...b3 instead?
Seems more direct to me, but maybe I am missing the depth of your idea. |
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Sep-25-04
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| patzer2: <Hanada> Alhough 25. bxc3 Bxe4! 26. Ne3 Nd5! wins impressively, your alternative 26...b3! also gives Black a decisive advantage. However, 26...b3! is not as simple as it first looks and has its own unique complications. Following 25. bxc3 xe4 26. e3, your alternative 26...b3! wins as follows: 26...b3! 27. axb3 xb3+ 28.  a1 a3+ 29. b1 a8!
[also winning is 29...Nd5! ; the simpler 29...Na4!? 30. Nc4 Qb3+ 31. Ka1 Qxc4 32. Rb1+ Nb6 33. Rb4 Qc6 34. Rfb1  to may be barely winning but petrmits White too much active counterplay] 30. c1
[30. Qf7 Nc4! 31. Qxc4 (31. Bc1 Rb8+ ; 31. Nxc4 Rb8+ ) 31...Rb8+ 32. Qb4 Rxb4 33. cxb4 Bxd4 ; 30. Qe2 Nc4! 31. Qxc4 Rb8+ transposes ] [30. Be1 Na4 31. Nc4 Rb8+ 32. Nb6+ Rxb6#; 30. Rc1 Rb8 31. Nd1 Nc4+ 32. Nb2 Qxb2#; 30. Qh4 Rb8 31. Bc1 Nc4+ 32. Bb2 Qxb2#] 30...b3+ 31. a1
[31. Bb2 Na4 32. Kc1 (32. Nc4 Qxc4 ) 32...Qxb2+ 33. Kd2 Qxc3+ 34. Ke2 Bxd4 ] 31...a4+! 32. b1 (32. Kb2 Nc4+ ) 32...b5+! 33. b2 (33. Ka1 Rb8 ; 33. Ka2 Nd5 ) 33...a4 34. c1 xb2+ 35. d2 xc3 Play might continue 36. f7 xd4 37. b3 (37. Qxc7 Bxe3+ 38. Kxe3 Re8 ) xe3+ 38. xe3 xd1+ 39. xd1 e5 |
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| Sep-28-04 |
| Rowson: I only just got the pun i watch that movie yesturday... witty chessgames but i think these youngens might miss the joke. |
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| Sep-28-04 |
| Lawrence: <Rowson>, that's funny because they showed "Shane" on Spanish TV yesterday. |
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sac: 23...Rxe4