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Jiri Stocek vs Vereslav Eingorn
Berliner Sommer 16th (1998), Berlin GER, rd 8, Aug-08
French Defense: Tarrasch Variation. Modern System (C03)  ·  1-0


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Dec-26-06  aragorn69: And how do you capture it?
Dec-26-06  TrueBlue: you don't have to, just leave it stuck there
Dec-26-06  aragorn69: <DuaneTiemann: Looks to me like 34. Nd7+ wins a couple pawns. 34. Nd7+ Kg8 35. Rxe4 Rxd7 36. Qxd7 Pxe4 37. Qxb7> Not that sure that White is better in that position: Black' e-pawn is a lot stronger than White's a- and b-pawns, IMHO.
Dec-26-06  aragorn69: <True Blue> Would you care to give a variation? Or did u just "see" that it's winning <in 2 seconds>???
Dec-26-06  TrueBlue: aragorn, I don't see what more I can add.
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  acirce: I love how "solve a puzzle" nowadays means "guess the correct first move by a glance at the position and by a total coincidence be lucky that it all happens to work out with best play somehow although I have absolutely no idea why".
Dec-26-06  TrueBlue: acirce, that approach is much better than using a computer to check all variations. After all, if you are able to "guess" the correct move most of the time, you will be a very good chessplayer. That's why we are humans, we can judge a position without checking all the variations.
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  acirce: When did I say anything about using a computer?! You're supposed to use your brain. Intuition and being able to see possible ideas quickly are both great but these puzzles are calculation exercises.
Dec-26-06  wgb: I found this maybe a good last week of 06 is coming.
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  Peligroso Patzer: <fzoozle: <mig55: And simply [35.] Qa5 after [34. ...] Rd8?> [35. ...] ... b6 and white's queen is forced off of the fifth rank, allowing [36. ...] fxe4.>

According to analysis by Fritz, 35. Qa5 is actually the strongest reply after 34. Rxe4 Rd8. Here is best play according to Fritz:

34.Rxe4 Rd8 35.Qa5 b6 36.Qxb6 fxe4 37.f5 Kg7 (if the Knight moves, then 38. Qxd8) 38.fxe6 Rde8 39.Qd4 Rxe6 40.Nxg4+ Kg8 41.Nf6+ ( ).

Although the basic tactic played out in the game is simple enough, the tactics can get a bit complicated after 34. ... Rxd8!?. From the fact that he played 34. ... fxe4 (and then 35. ... Rxd7, rather than resigning before 36. Qxh5), I expect that Eingorn (and maybe also Stocek) was very short of time at this stage of the game.

Dec-26-06  Tacticstudent: 33 - ..., Rge7? is a mistake. the knight is already protected and blaxck is just behind one pawn. the best move was Nxg3. or, the mistake happened much earlier. 14 - ..., O-O was better than h6.
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  playground player: The alternative to using a computer to solve the puzzle need not be a lucky guess. what we call "intuition" in chess is really just the mind working very quickly. If our "intuitive" moves pan out, it means our minds are working not only quickly, but very accurately, too. But failing in intuition, we can always fall back on actually thinking about our moves before we make them!
Dec-26-06  Fisheremon: <Tacticstudent: 33 - ..., Rge7? is a mistake. the knight is already protected and blaxck is just behind one pawn. the best move was Nxg3. or, the mistake happened much earlier. 14 - ..., O-O was better than h6.> 33...Rge7 was a blunder, but 33...Nxg3 could be too because of White's attack along h-file. The best move was possibly 33...Nf6 still with lost endgame for Black. The pawn d5 was a key point so 31...Nxd4 was a positional mistake, after that Black's position became quite hard. Instead 31...Rc7 could equalize, e.g. 32.Qa2 Rd8 33.a4 Rcc8 34.b5 Nxe5 35. dxe5 Qf7 with an equal game.
Dec-26-06  nimzo knight: On the line starting 34..Rd8 35. Ng6+! How does white reply to 35..Kf7
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  YouRang: Well, I saw the line played, but I have to admit that I didn't see 34...Rd8. I *think* I would have seen the follow-up of 35. Ng6+ in a game, but there are certainly more to consider here than one expects from a Tuesday puzzle.
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  kevin86: I answered this one right. I'm a little puzzled (pun intended) by the response of ♔g7 after 34...♖d8 35 ♘g6+
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  YouRang: <nimzo knight: On the line starting 34..Rd8 35. Ng6+! How does white reply to 35..Kf7> I'm thinking 36. Nh8+.

If 36...Rxh8, then 37. Rxe6, and I've regained the piece (37...Rxe6? 38. Rc7 and mate to come.)

If 36...Kg8, then 37. Qe5 I think saves the knight, and gives me time to get my Re4 out of danger. Maybe not best, but looks like it could work. Besides being down a piece, Black's position is all in a bunch.

Dec-26-06  brainzugzwang: <aragorn69> <TrueBlue>: I think what <TrueBlue> is getting at (and I'm strictly a patzer, so correct me if I'm wrong) is after 34.Rxe4 Rd8 35.Ng6+ Kg7 36.Qxe6 Rxe6 37.Rxe6, the Black queen really is less than a queen at that moment - it's completely boxed in and can only sit and watch in a very limited defensive role. If White can act fast, it's almost as though the queen isn't on the board. Meanwhile, White has a material advantage with R,B and N for the queen, with the R and N in dominating positions and an open c-file for the other rook. And his B isn't far from the action.

I also would be interested in seeing a variation or two - there must be something in White's positional and slight material advantage. Rc7 seems obvious, but I don't see anything concrete yet. Any ideas?

Dec-26-06  nimzo knight: Yup Rang. I didnt see the threat of 38. Rc7. For 36..Kg8 I will go 37.NxR+ followed by 38. QxN. <Kevin86>. I think for Kg7 White can go 37. QxR NxQ 38. RxR+ KxN. Since Black king cant move back into 7th rank, a check from 6th rank is mate. I will go 39. Rc8 Nc6 (or Kf6) 40. Rxg7 ... Perhaps there is some better line than this too
Dec-26-06  Shajmaty: Hi all. I agree with most of your opinions. 34. Rxe4 is not very difficult to find, but the tactics after 34...Rd8 (things are easy after 34...fxe4 as in the game) is far more than expected from a Tuesday puzzle! Both 35. Qa5 or 35. Ng6 seem to work for White.
Dec-26-06  Fisheremon: <nimzo knight: You Rang: Kevin86> 35. Ng6+ 1) 35...Kf7 36. Nh8+ Kg8 37. Rxe6 Rxd5 38. Rc8+ Re8 39. Rxe8 2) 35...Kg7 36. Qxe6 Rxe6 37. Rxe6 Kf7 38. Rb6 Kg8 39. Rc7 Rd1+ 40. Kf2 Rd2+ 41. Ke1 Rd8 42. Ne5 3) 35...Qxg6 36. Rxe6 Qxe6 37. Qxd8+
Dec-26-06  Themofro: Nothing to it. since the knight can check, all you need to do is to get rid of the black pawn. Once you see that the rest is simple.
Dec-26-06  aussie: This puzzle is ridiculous since it relys on the weak fxe4.I saw Rxe4 but then I did't think fxe4 would be played.So I could not find the fast solution.
Dec-26-06  hbeck: What else besides fxe4 would black play? I don't think you can find a response where white isn't at least better.
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  Penguincw: 33...Rge7 seems to be the blunder. Nice tactics by the POTD.
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