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|Dec-03-04|| ||azaris: Not bad, but when I see such positions as after Black's 13th move I wonder to myself: "What on Earth happened here? Did Black have no sense of danger? Why did he unguard the d6 square?"|
Then I see the game and find out Black opened with the Damiano. I guess that would explain a lot.
|Dec-03-04|| ||JohnBoy: <Skylark> - <isolatedpawn>'s comment pointed out the forced mate (with a slight detour foregoing the smothered mate until the erratum) should black NOT take the bishop on f5.|
If as white I was confronted with 14...Rd6, I would immediately play 15.Nd6+ followed by either 16.Re8 or Ne8. This way one comes out at least a rook up.
Without 14.Rd6, black is down at least a piece (if 15...Re8 is not played), or a rook for a queen as played. Not much difference - a decided material advantage in any case.
|Dec-03-04|| ||weev: you gotta love a family fork! |
|Dec-03-04|| ||white pawn: What would happen after 3...fxe5 ? |
|Dec-03-04|| ||admiralnemo: qh5+ g6 qxe5+ and black loses a rook is the worst that can happen, not sure what happens if qh5+ ke7, but that doesn't look good for black either |
|Dec-03-04|| ||delterp: White pawn, 3) Nxe5! is typical if black decides to weaken his kingside by moving the f pawn. White wins the exchange and leaves black's king in the open.
3) Nxe5! fxe5
4) Qh5+ g6
5) Qxe5+ Qe7
|Dec-03-04|| ||admiralnemo: oh yes, ke7 would lose the queen after qxe5+ kf7 bc4+ d5 bxd5+ qxd5 qxq+ |
|Dec-03-04|| ||actinia: <greystar69> being up a pawn and having a far superior position is still winning. as long as you can convert it to a win... problem solved. |
|Dec-03-04|| ||jahhaj: <white pawn> This is what chessbase has on 3...fxe5, http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches....|
Note every game is a win for white and the longest is nineteen moves!
|Dec-03-04|| ||kevin86: I saw the fork at d6,but missed the combination that allowed its fruition.It is a neat conclusion,isn't it? |
|Dec-03-04|| ||euripides: I didn't know this stuff had a name. There are a number of players like Vidmar who are remembered more for their losses against great players than for their wins. Damiano seems to be unusual in being remembered for an opening that really is absolute rubbish. At least no-one is likely to contest his priority .... |
|Dec-03-04|| ||kevin86: Damiano's defense is really a gambit,as the knight cannot be captured. I see it as quite unsound and about the worst second move you could make in that position. |
|Dec-03-04|| ||keypusher: Someone like <SBC> would know for sure, but I believe Damiano's only connection to 2...f6 was to say that it was no good! It's very unfair to name this "defense" after him. |
|Dec-03-04|| ||Shubes82: a family fork!! |
|Dec-03-04|| ||EXIDE: I see the simple 14 Bxd6:cxd6 15.Nxd6+:and white wins a piece( the bishop at e8)If 15...,Kd7 16.Bf5+ wins the Queen. Although the actually played moves are the stronger. |
|Dec-03-04|| ||tpstar: <EXIDE> I don't understand your line, because 15. Nxd6+ Rxd6 16. Rxe8+ Kc7 and White wins a Pawn, not a piece, and definitely not the Queen like the game continuation after 15. Rxe8! (the first key to this combination), then 16. Bf5+! (the second) bags the lady. |
|Dec-03-04|| ||EXIDE: <tpstar> you are right. This is what happens when I do not use a board to play the moves. |
|Dec-03-04|| ||CFC rating: I can't understand why a player of (supposedly high strength)would play a horriblemove like Qg4?? |
|Dec-03-04|| ||tpstar: <CFC rating> Hello! Welcome to the group! The key word is "supposedly" = this database contains many cadet games (even under 10 y/o) so not all are GM examples. Even harder to understand would be a horrible move like 2 ... f6?!, right? See you around.|
<EXIDE> That's kewl. These puzzles sharpen our tactics, so it's helpful to analyze alternative variations. Your line is very good - if White had nothing better.
|Nov-02-05|| ||schnarre: Hmmmnnnn....13.Qd7 looks more viable (though ...Qf7 & perhaps ...Qd5 might be worth a try).|
|Nov-03-05|| ||prinsallan: Horrible Errki. Still i love the fork leading to the family fork.|
|Nov-03-05|| ||azaris: <so not all are GM examples> Havansi may not be a GM, but he was Finnish Correspondence Chess Champion in 1978. He gained his master title the same year this game was played.|
|Nov-03-05|| ||schnarre: <azaris>Time between moves can make quite a difference indeed!|
|Feb-18-09|| ||whiteshark: Opening of the Day
If you think about the beginners advise not to open the position if you are down in development / or your is still in the center, than only <4...d5> looks like a blunder.
|Feb-18-09|| ||whiteshark: Here is an unusual corr game where Black kept the center closed.|
[Site "IECC Email"]
[White "Wight, David"]
[Black "Trofimov, Vladimir"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6 3. Nxe5 Qe7 4. Nf3 Qxe4+ 5. Be2 Bb4 6. O-O Ne7 7. a3 Bd6 8.
Nc3 Qe6 9. b3 Qf7 10. Re1 a6 11. Nh4 Kd8 12. d4 Nbc6 13. Bc4 Qf8 14. Ne4 Bxh2+
15. Kxh2 d5 16. Bxd5 Nxd5 17. Kg1 b6 18. c4 Nde7 19. Bf4 Ng6 20. Nxg6 hxg6 21.
c5 b5 22. d5 Ne5 23. d6 Bd7 24. Qd4 c6 25. a4 b4 26. Qxb4 Kc8 27. Bxe5 fxe5 28.
Qb6 Qd8 29. a5 Rb8 30. Qxa6+ Rb7 31. Qc4 Qh4 32. f3 Qh1+ 33. Kf2 Qh4+ 34. Ke2
Qh2 35. a6 Ra7 36. Kf2 Qh4+ 37. Ke3 Qf4+ 38. Kd3 Kb8 39. Kc3 Ka8 40. Nd2 Qf6
41. Qe4 Rh4 42. Qxe5 1-0
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