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Alexander Grischuk vs Evgeny Ilgizovich Bareev
Russian Championship Superfinal (2004), Moscow RUS, rd 9, Nov-25
Caro-Kann Defense: Panov Attack. Modern Defense (B13)  ·  1-0


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Nov-25-04  jeffnool: what if 16...Ke8? is it as draw?
Nov-25-04  flamboyant: thats what i was wondering too
maybe a pro would explain to us :)
Nov-25-04  DevastatioN: Well, the position WOULD be identical as 2 moves before if Ke8, so if the threat wasn't there in the first place it won't be there the second time :)
Nov-26-04  tacticsjokerxxx: well since the same position has to occur three times, then it's not a draw until 16.-♔e8 17.♖e1+ - ♔d7 18.♖d1+ - ♔e8 19.Te1+

but since white is up a ♘ for a ♙, then white should play something like 19.♗xf7+ instead, clearly winning.

Dec-10-04  themindset: <DevastatioN> the position would *not* be identical if Ke8. black would have lost the option to castle. and that is considered a critical difference under the rules of chess.
Dec-11-04  euripides: <themindset> Interesting point about the rules that I didn't know and have just checked on the FIDE site. Indeed; for a position to be repeated the possible moves of all pieces have to be the same, which means that after 16...Ke8 17 Re1+ Kd7 18 Rd1+ Ke8 19 Re1+ a draw cannot be claimed because the king has more possible moves on the first occurrence of the position.
May-29-07  Whitehat1963: What is best play after 13. Bb5+? I'm thinking 13...Bb6 14. Bxb6+ bxb6 15. fxe5. But then what? <Crafty>? Fritz? Junior? Rybka? Somebody?
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