Alexander Grischuk vs Evgeny Bareev (2004)

Alexander Grischuk vs Evgeny Bareev
Russian Championships (2004) · Caro-Kann Defense: Panov Attack. Modern Defense (B14) · 1-0

To move:

Last move:

explore this opening	find similar games	18 more Grischuk/Bareev games
sac: 13.fxe5	PGN: download \| view	Help: general \| java-troubleshooting

TIP: Some games have annotation. These are denoted in the game list with the

icon.

For help with this chess viewer, please see the Pgn4web Quickstart Guide.

Nov-25-04		jeffnool: what if 16...Ke8? is it as draw?

Nov-25-04		flamboyant: thats what i was wondering too maybe a pro would explain to us :)

Nov-25-04		DevastatioN: Well, the position WOULD be identical as 2 moves before if Ke8, so if the threat wasn't there in the first place it won't be there the second time :)

Nov-26-04		tacticsjokerxxx: well since the same position has to occur three times, then it's not a draw until 16.-e8 17.e1+ - d7 18.d1+ - e8 19.Te1+ but since white is up a for a , then white should play something like 19.xf7+ instead, clearly winning.

Dec-10-04		themindset: <DevastatioN> the position would not be identical if Ke8. black would have lost the option to castle. and that is considered a critical difference under the rules of chess.

Dec-11-04		euripides: <themindset> Interesting point about the rules that I didn't know and have just checked on the FIDE site. Indeed; for a position to be repeated the possible moves of all pieces have to be the same, which means that after 16...Ke8 17 Re1+ Kd7 18 Rd1+ Ke8 19 Re1+ a draw cannot be claimed because the king has more possible moves on the first occurrence of the position.

May-29-07		Whitehat1963: What is best play after 13. Bb5+? I'm thinking 13...Bb6 14. Bxb6+ bxb6 15. fxe5. But then what? <Crafty>? Fritz? Junior? Rybka? Somebody?

NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, totally anonymous, and 100% free--plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!

If you already have an account, you should login now.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
No personal attacks against other users.
Nothing in violation of United States law.

See something which violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform an administrator.

NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, you might try the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.

Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections [what is this?]

Game 334
from Guess-the-Move Chess: 2000-2010 (Part 1) by Anatoly21

Caro-Kann, Panov-Botivinnik attack, 5...Nc6 6. Bg5 dxc4 7. Bxc4
from The Ultimate Repetoire(3) by KKW