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|Dec-13-04|| ||dac1990: This line is seldom seen in GM play. |
|Dec-13-04|| ||Calli: 26.g4 just coughs up a pawn, no? |
|Dec-13-04|| ||Helloween: <dac1990>Judit Polgar has played this line quite a bit, following the same path of 7.Nc3 and an early Queenside castle. 7.c4 is more of a positional way of handling the opening, trying to get a bind on d5, although then 7...f5! is messy and leaves Black with a decent position. |
|Dec-13-04|| ||beenthere240: I've always found that this opening is an excellent way to lose as white. |
|Dec-13-04|| ||SADDAM: Naka, played this opening like crap! Stood worse with white after the opening, what a fool!!!!! I still believe in him!!!!!!!!!!!! Game 4, not yet posted, was a laugher!!! First Naka again got a losing positon. Then after patient defense and multiple inaccuracies by KArjac got a winning position, final blunder was Rc7, after Rc1 black still wins. He made that move instantly, i guess playing all that bullet on icc hurt his decision making. |
|Dec-13-04|| ||drukenknight: this one seems okay until 38 Kc1, did he a fear a R sack? |
|Dec-13-04|| ||iron maiden: He was down to seconds for the last two or three moves. Apparently the bullet chess didn't help him much. |
|Dec-13-04|| ||drukenknight: umm, he spent a bit of time on move 35, I think prior to that he had about 9 or 10 minutes, but he spent a lot of time there. I know he didnt have much time, thought maybe 2 min. Do we know exactly how much time was left? |
|Dec-13-04|| ||alexandrovm: Anand could have blitz it ;) |
|Dec-14-04|| ||alexandrovm: The only game won by Karja, maybe he can take his revange next time they encounter again |
|Dec-14-04|| ||alexandrovm: white can only take with the pawn, or be checkmated. After he takes it, the promotion of the black pawn is inevitable |
|Dec-14-04|| ||patzer2: Karjakin's 38...Qb4! is a pretty and decisive deflection move:|
38...b4! 39. c3
[39. Kb1 Qxc4! 40. Nc3 Qa6 41. Kc1 Qa1+ 42. Kd2 Qxb2+ 43. Ke1 Bxc3+ 44. Kf1 Ra1+ 45. Rd1 Rxd1+ 46. Qxd1 Bd4 47. Qe2 Qc1+ 48. Qe1 b2 ]
[Karjakin's 39...Bxc3 also wins but I like this move better]
[40. b1 xc4+ 41. d2 xc2+ 42. e1 xb1+ 43. d1 xd1+ 44. xd1 f2#]
(40...b1 41. xd4 xb2+ 42. d3 xe2 43. xe2 b2 44. c3 b1+ 45. xb1 xb1+
|Dec-15-04|| ||drukenknight: two questions:
37 Nc5 isnt this what Naka. should do with his N?
is 38...Ra1+ any more efficient?
|Dec-15-04|| ||Chuckles: <patzer2> I think you have a mistake in the position there, at move 37 the king is still on b1 so there's no Kd2 move.|
I think 37. Nc5 is a good move, if ..Qh1+ then Qd1 or Rd1 look ok.
|Dec-15-04|| ||patzer2: <Chuckles> Thanks for setting me straight. I deleted the erroneous post and this is the correction.|
Indeed, <drukenknight>, 37. Nc5 is the best move for White in the position. After 37. Nc5 Qc7 38. Nxb3 Qxc4 , Black has an advantage but White has drawing chances.
After 38...Ra1+ 39. Kd2 Bxb2 , Black has a nice alternative win that may be easier to calculate than the move actually played.
|Dec-17-04|| ||Chessmaster 9000: Slightly better is 31. Qf3, leading to 31... Qc7 32. c5 Be7 33. g5 Qe5 34. gxh6 f5 35. Nd6 Bxd6 36. cxd6 Qxd6 37. hxg7 Kxg7 (Time=0:50, Depth=3/11)|
38. Kc1? leads to 38... Qb4 39. Nc3 Bxc3 40. Rxc3 Qxc3+ 41. bxc3 Ra1+ 42. Kb2 Ra2+ 43. Kxb3 Rxe2 44. c5 Kf8 45. c6 Ke7 46. c7 Kd7, which wins a queen, a bishop, and a pawn for a queen, a rook, and a knight. Better is g5, leading to 38... hxg5 39. Nxg5 Qb4 40. Rxd4 Qa5 41. Kc1 Qxg5+ 42. f4 Qg1+ 43. Rd1 Ra1+ 44. Kd2 Qd4+ 45. Ke1 Rxd1+ 46. Qxd1 Qxb2 47.Qd8+ Kh7, which wins a rook, a bishop and a pawn for a rook, a knight and two pawns. This was white's only key blunder.
|Dec-17-04|| ||drukenknight: I think that was the first chessmaster post I understood. What if 31 Qb3 which was what I was thinking Naka would do? |
|Jan-29-05|| ||GreenDayGuy: 31. Qb3 leaves the defense of the kingside, where black can start mopping up loose pawns. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||RookFile: Who would ever play such an opening?
Only a world champion....
Tal vs R Byrne, 1976
|Apr-06-05|| ||GazoGypsy: It seems to mo that the game was lost on 11.Kb1 better would have been h4 even better would have been 10. Rhe1. --- which is what Tal played in the above reference. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||Dionyseus: <Rookfile> Nice find. The first deviation is Naka's 10th move Qd3, here Tal played Rhe1 instead. Perhaps this was Naka's mistake? |
|Apr-07-05|| ||RookFile: It is really ironic. Tal played
Rhe1, with the aim of controlling
the center file: somehow the rook
file got opened because Byrne's ...h6
was answered with the sharp h4! and
hxg5, opening the rook file.
The irony is, it is obvious that
with Naka leaving the rook on h1,
he is playing for the opening of the
rook file. But he never got there.
|Nov-20-05|| ||SnoopDogg: < He was down to seconds for the last two or three moves. Apparently the bullet chess didn't help him much.>|
Well he couldn't abuse premove to the max OTB :-).
|Jul-25-07|| ||geraldo8187: after kamsky played 4. Qxd4 today, maybe it should be called the American variation|
|Jun-21-11|| ||DrMAL: Black eventually gets a pawn advantage but in the first 36 moves there are no real mistakes, just small inaccuracies. |
37.Nd2 was best but 37.Nc5 was also sufficient, one of the two was necessary to abate black's attack. In fact the game after this would probably be a draw after long struggle.
Keeping the knight on e4 and supporting it with 37.f3 looks nice but it was a decisive mistake. 38.Kc1 (instead of, say, g5) was a second mistake that lost faster. Naka was in time trouble.
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