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|Jun-22-03|| ||drukenknight: well wait a second, you got to move 16...g6 but then you skipped to move 18.|
Chess sure is easy if you get to skip moves, huh?
It is tricky. It looks like you want to attack the Q, okay so at this pt. white is up by 2 pts and he figures to be down by 2 pts. if black can pull off R for Q.
So if I believe that soon I will be down in material, then maybe I should prepare to attack blacks King. So maybe after 16...g6 17 000 or maybe just 17 Rd1.
Well I dont have this set up and I have to get going. Maybe I will check back later tonight and see what you come up with.
One thing this illustrates is Alekhines fantastic ability to take a perfectly normal game and turn it upside down in couple of moves. It doesnt win the game by itself, it just makes the game more interesting because it creates odd sorts of balances, or imbalances. He is excellent at doing this.
|Jun-22-03|| ||AgentRgent: <DK> I skipped ahead because white cannot prevent Bg7 and Rd1 or 0-0-0 don't really work in the Nxe3 line because white can't open the d file (d5 is met with c5). |
|Jun-22-03|| ||drukenknight: skipping ahead will mess you up in chess. That much I know. |
|Jun-22-03|| ||AgentRgent: Or 15. Be3 Nxe3 16. fxe3 g6 now White might try 17. Rc1 Bg7 18. Qxc6+ Qxc6 19. Rxc6 Kxc6 20. Ke2 But I think he's lost anyway. |
|Jun-23-03|| ||drunknight II: Gee Agent no wonder you think white is lost, you propose giving up my Rook for a lousy iso. pawn. No thanks you play your side and I'll play mine. |
you ready for this?
|Jun-23-03|| ||AgentRgent: Actually having looked at it further, I think it's best to go with option # 2: 15. Be3 g6 |
Trading the Knight for bishop wasn't a very good idea since it allows white to fix his pawn structure, allows tactics involving d5 and trades a strong knight for a relatively weak bishop.
|Jun-23-03|| ||AgentRgent: <DK> actually the Qxc6+ Qxc6 Rxc6 was a computer's line not mine. I often have trouble seeing the best move for the opposing side, so I was getting some silicon suggestions.. |
|Jun-23-03|| ||Bears092: White's problem wasn't his 15th move (Be3 leads to a lost position), it was his lack of a 16th move. |
16. Ba5 Qxa5 17. Qb8 Qb6 18. Qxb6 axb6
Here, black is still better, but white has a fighting chance with a possibilty of a queenside passes pawn
|Jun-23-03|| ||drunknight II: Well Agent you are not going to play the 19 d5 line w/ me? Durn that is too bad, I was hoping to show some fun stuff with that.|
Okay now we go back to a new line w/ 15 Be6 and ...g6.
It gets curiouser and curiouser does it not? With the new 15th move; we saw that there are many ways for black to go. You're suggestion of NxB was pretty good I think. I dont think it's any better or any worse than the other 3 (at least) possible ways to go.
SO we must have come up iwth at least four different ways for black to go and none of them look superior, at least not yet.
Do you really think the game is still lost then? If there really are several valid ways to go, the position is probably quite balanced.
Bears: okay I appreciate your comments, but I will play this line w/ agent for awhile. I have enuf trouble trying to hold him off in this one.
Hey whats with the solid state suggestions? Gee I am beleaugered on all sides.I be back later.
|Oct-05-04|| ||WMD: Bled, not Book, 1931. |
|Oct-05-04|| ||Willem Wallekers: <bishop: Nimzovitch did not have very good luck vs Alekhine. In this game he plays 12.Qb7, thinking he is picking up the exchange but actually falling into a trap.>
He did, the next year Alyekhine had the same position with White vs. William Winter and wisely played 11. bxc3. |
|Apr-07-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: An impressive crush by Alekhine.
|Dec-03-06|| ||PaulLovric: no, 1|
|Dec-03-06|| ||aldehyde: mistakes mistakes & mistakes. i wonder, you all argued so much over this game.|
|Dec-03-06|| ||OhioChessFan: Nimzo can't be considered among the elite players because Alekhine and Capa dominated him in games they played.|
|Dec-03-06|| ||keypusher: After 15. Be3 g6, Fritz 8 can't find anything better for White than 15. Rc1 e6 16. Qxc6+ with a piece-down ending.|
|Dec-03-06|| ||An Englishman: Good Afternoon: The oddest aspect of this game is that when Alekhine analyzed it in the postmortem, he realized that Nimzo's opening was a powerful line to use vs. the Caro-Kann and became such a strong advocate that for almost two decades the defense was considered refuted.|
|Dec-03-06|| ||LPeristy: There's nothing I love more than watching Nimzowitch lose. :P|
|Dec-03-06|| ||cu8sfan: <chessgames.com> Is it a coincidence or not that today's game of the day and the puzzle of the day (Nimzowitsch vs Alekhine, 1926) are both Aron Nimzowitsch vs. Alexander Alekhine games?|
|Dec-03-06|| ||TheBB: I'd like to know too.|
|Dec-03-06|| ||schnarre: <cu8sfan> Noticed that too eh!? ;)|
|Dec-03-06|| ||Chess Carnival: <LPeristy: There's nothing I love more than watching Nimzowitch lose. :P> Why is it so? I find his games very enjoyable and instructive..|
|Dec-04-06|| ||kevin86: Nimzo and AA-two great players---and playa hata-s for that matter,lol. Nice queen-trap-sac by Alekhine.|
|Jan-07-08|| ||gambiter: After 15.Be3, Nc7 d5 Qa5+ Bd2 and now Black can choose between Qxd5 and Qxd2 check. They both look good to me but tell me if I'm wrong...|
|Jan-17-08|| ||Dr. Siggy: I believe I've read somewhere a sidestory about this game. When 12. Qb7(?) was played, a rumour more or less like this spread through the room: "Nimzowitsch is making a combination!" The whole of the players precipitated over the board, preceeded by Bogoljubov, whom, after just a couple of seconds, turned his back and stated to one of his peers: "I've seen it! He loses his Queen!". And that he did!...|
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